ATPL Air Law Tabbing
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ATPL Air Law Tabbing
Did ATPL air law the other day and the old biddy supervising at the ASL centre was not going to let me sit the exams becuause I had too many tabs in my books. I had all the "CASA approved" tabs plus about 5-10 of my own. I managed to talk her around but only barely. What really got on my goat was I called CASA and ASL about 2 days before the exam to find out exactly what I could and could not have in the exam (tabs, highlighting, underlining) etc and they gave me the impression that what I had was good to go.
Anybody else had dramas with this lately?
Anybody else had dramas with this lately?
What else did you tab that wasn't 'CASA approved?'
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When I tagged my 727 manual for AFPL I was worried about the headings I'd put on the tabs so I made sure to take along some blank tabs for last minute replacement. I had no problem with things like Fuel Allowances, Ldg Gr Climb Correction and PNR/ETP written on them.
(With the underlining if you try hard enough you can get pretty crafty but by time you work out a snazzy and crafty system you could have just memorised the actual info.)
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(With the underlining if you try hard enough you can get pretty crafty but by time you work out a snazzy and crafty system you could have just memorised the actual info.)
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As far as I know, there's nothing that specifies the maximum number of tabs/tags that may be used. My AIP is covered in them (maybe 100 or so) and have never had a problem. As long as they are labels and don't contain lengthy notes there shouldn't be a problem.
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I've always wondered about the genius's who come up with these rules......Once you pass the exam - are you allowed to use an unlimited number of tabs in day to day use? Or is that considered cheating? Maybe you should memorise the entire document and not have the ability to ever refer to a hard copy.... ffs. TWITS
Yes, well that is excellent advice for dealing with any bureaucracy however it doesn't save you from the ignominy of having to debate the issue with the autocratic, clueless 
retired school teacher/housewife/policeman who invigilates the exam on the day.
retired school teacher/housewife/policeman who invigilates the exam on the day.
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haha this old lady was into me about using pubs I had borrowed. She assumed that everyone owned a copy. I realised arguing was futile at this point.
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Stop complaining, at least you can bring the publications into the exam. Engineers have to memorize EVERYTHING. Pretty stupid really when you consider that spanner must not touch aircraft till relevant and up to date reference material has been accessed. CASA logic.
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I'm not sure where people are having trouble with their exam supervisors, but I've sat exams at both Archerfield and Launceston, and never had a problem with those ones - they were always very nice and friendly!
As to tabbing, when I sat ATPL Airlaw all my folders looked like Post-it note echidnas, but there was no problem.
As to tabbing, when I sat ATPL Airlaw all my folders looked like Post-it note echidnas, but there was no problem.
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This was in the Perth centre where I had issues. There were a few of us in the same situation. I was going to ring up an complain today but didn't quite get around to it and besides it was my last exam so I don't really give a rats!
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Cross Referencing not allowed
Yup,
The letter that comes with the Approved AFT tabs has always been good enough for the invigilators of my exams. The only advice I've had with regards to tabs, is that you can't cross reference.
When I did my IREX, I was worried about the AIP SUPs, because they are online now, and not distributed in loose leaf form. The exam info explicitly says that you need to take into account AIP SUPs. Got the following response from CASA:
The letter that comes with the Approved AFT tabs has always been good enough for the invigilators of my exams. The only advice I've had with regards to tabs, is that you can't cross reference.
When I did my IREX, I was worried about the AIP SUPs, because they are online now, and not distributed in loose leaf form. The exam info explicitly says that you need to take into account AIP SUPs. Got the following response from CASA:
On AIP SUPP, just use them (those online) to (by manuscript amendments) update your air publications such as AIP Book, DAPs etc. There's no need to bring the hardcopies of AIP SUPP into the exam, though CASA allows that. Don't take self-printed copies into the exams as the supervisors may get excited.
Quite frankly CASA doesn't deliberately test an AIP SUPP because of its transitory nature. So long as you transfer the really important amendments onto your principal documents, you should be okay for the IREX exam
Quite frankly CASA doesn't deliberately test an AIP SUPP because of its transitory nature. So long as you transfer the really important amendments onto your principal documents, you should be okay for the IREX exam
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A mate of mine said that the ASL supervisor told him that CASA are restricting the number of tabs to 6 to 10 and that they were going to allow him to use 10. He wasnt sitting an exam that required anything that day but just letting him know for his next exam.
Is this the case because I plan on sitting ATPL airlaw soon and still have CAR's CAOs etc all tabbed from CPL Airlaw and dont really want to take them out, and will obviously need to add more to them.
Has anybody else heard of this. Because I can't find any info about this on the net.
Is this the case because I plan on sitting ATPL airlaw soon and still have CAR's CAOs etc all tabbed from CPL Airlaw and dont really want to take them out, and will obviously need to add more to them.
Has anybody else heard of this. Because I can't find any info about this on the net.