Work Experience, Volunteer Work...... Anything!!!
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Work Experience, Volunteer Work...... Anything!!!
Gday Everyone,
New to the forum so a hi to all.
Was hoping to get a little help.
Im in the final stages of finishing my CPL and ATPLs and there is nothing more i would rather like to do than have a chance to spend a couple of days with an airline or charter company.
Ive approached numerous organisations, but all have the same answer... a kind "no" as the liability is to much for them.
I am willing to do anything as long as i get to associate with real pilots and ground crew. I think the experience will be priceless..... ill even sweep hangers if i have to.
Am i asking too much??
New to the forum so a hi to all.
Was hoping to get a little help.
Im in the final stages of finishing my CPL and ATPLs and there is nothing more i would rather like to do than have a chance to spend a couple of days with an airline or charter company.
Ive approached numerous organisations, but all have the same answer... a kind "no" as the liability is to much for them.
I am willing to do anything as long as i get to associate with real pilots and ground crew. I think the experience will be priceless..... ill even sweep hangers if i have to.
Am i asking too much??
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Finish off your CPL (and if you still have to build up hours, make it a nav longer than 70nm, preferably go some where remote!)
Update your resume.
Spell it hangar, not hangar (or dust it rather than sweep it).
Pack up the car and head north.
Do not work for less than the award - offering to do work experience, or work for free will result in us saying No!!, kicking your arse out the door, shredding your resume and ensuring you don't get within 20 paces of the boss (though the current boss would do the same anyway).
...start work as a real pilot.
Learn from real pilots.
Your experience in GA will be priceless, and heck we'll even let you sweep the hangar!!
You might thinking hanging out with a charter company for two days will give you something extra to sell yourself at an interview for that first job, but seriously, you'll have learnt absolutely nothing. We'll either put you in a back room sorting out paperwork or maybe get you to weigh customer's bags and put said bags in the plane.
Update your resume.
Spell it hangar, not hangar (or dust it rather than sweep it).
Pack up the car and head north.
Do not work for less than the award - offering to do work experience, or work for free will result in us saying No!!, kicking your arse out the door, shredding your resume and ensuring you don't get within 20 paces of the boss (though the current boss would do the same anyway).
...start work as a real pilot.
Learn from real pilots.
Your experience in GA will be priceless, and heck we'll even let you sweep the hangar!!
You might thinking hanging out with a charter company for two days will give you something extra to sell yourself at an interview for that first job, but seriously, you'll have learnt absolutely nothing. We'll either put you in a back room sorting out paperwork or maybe get you to weigh customer's bags and put said bags in the plane.
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..a kind "no" as the liability is to much for them
Stick to your studies, son. Your time will come.
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Why not look for other work (ie not pilot) but still with a company in the aviation industry?
Lots of different jobs in training airports and companies! Even working in admin or logistics for an aviation company will get you more kudos than selling your butt for free!
Just my 2c
Lots of different jobs in training airports and companies! Even working in admin or logistics for an aviation company will get you more kudos than selling your butt for free!
Just my 2c
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If you want to hang around a real life pilot and willing to do anything, my car needs a clean? I'll even let you chat to me about flying. 
Seriously though listen to the other guys, by cheapening yourself today you're reducing your own salary tomorrow.
Seriously though listen to the other guys, by cheapening yourself today you're reducing your own salary tomorrow.
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Yes mate Im sorry, but now you have spent whatever you spent on your CPL you have now joined the holy grail of the professional pilot ranks...
Never again should you submit yourself to any sort of demeaning task..
Never again should you work any job for less than that of your local doctor or lawyer...
Your a PILOT now son..
show them your stripes and demand to be treated with respect...!!!
Never again should you submit yourself to any sort of demeaning task..
Never again should you work any job for less than that of your local doctor or lawyer...
Your a PILOT now son..
show them your stripes and demand to be treated with respect...!!!
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Never again should you submit yourself to any sort of demeaning task..
Never again should you work any job for less than that of your local doctor or lawyer...
show them your stripes and demand to be treated with respect...!!!
!!!!!!
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Ok Ok relax boys.
Don’t worry fellas, I definitely don’t like working for free so I can assure you I am 'cancer' free.
But a little in depth information on my situation.
I live in Sydney
I’m 25 years old and have worked very hard to enter this career.
I go to a school where the average age for an instructor is 21yrs (im sure this is quite common).
Unfortunately the inexperience really does show but that’s what you get I suppose. There is only so much I can get from an individual that never worked outside a flying college and has just a little over a years experience over me.
I just think it would be wise to get some real advice on what is what. And what better way than to speak to people in the game first hand. Maybe a little motivation too.
See where im coming from??
Already with my experience now, if I were to start over again I would do things very differently. Not that it is negative, its just I want to make sure that things are done right the first time.
I like to think ive used my command hours wisely, ive already flown solo to Tassie, Melbourne, Adelaide and everywhere in between. Don’t know how much further you can push a 172.
I’m in this game for the long haul, so I want to cover everything... its the wise approach isnt it??
Thanks for all the comments and feel free to blast your opinions. (its constructive... I like it)
Cheers lads
Don’t worry fellas, I definitely don’t like working for free so I can assure you I am 'cancer' free.
But a little in depth information on my situation.
I live in Sydney
I’m 25 years old and have worked very hard to enter this career.
I go to a school where the average age for an instructor is 21yrs (im sure this is quite common).
Unfortunately the inexperience really does show but that’s what you get I suppose. There is only so much I can get from an individual that never worked outside a flying college and has just a little over a years experience over me.
I just think it would be wise to get some real advice on what is what. And what better way than to speak to people in the game first hand. Maybe a little motivation too.
See where im coming from??
Already with my experience now, if I were to start over again I would do things very differently. Not that it is negative, its just I want to make sure that things are done right the first time.
I like to think ive used my command hours wisely, ive already flown solo to Tassie, Melbourne, Adelaide and everywhere in between. Don’t know how much further you can push a 172.
I’m in this game for the long haul, so I want to cover everything... its the wise approach isnt it??
Thanks for all the comments and feel free to blast your opinions. (its constructive... I like it)
Cheers lads
work for free
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Welcome to Pprune mate. I notice your a newcomer. You are probably reading these posts and perhaps taking it personally. Thinking that everyone is slamming you. Please, don't take it personally. Its because everyone has your interest at heart as well. Of course we are also thinking of ourselves, but that will in turn make it better for you newcomers. Its not directed towards you personally. Welcome to a dirty, tough industry that you really are going to look back on affectionately. We absolutely respect your enthusiasm, but research and make wise decisions. Cheers.
Welcome to Pprune mate. I notice your a newcomer. You are probably reading these posts and perhaps taking it personally. Thinking that everyone is slamming you. Please, don't take it personally. Its because everyone has your interest at heart as well. Of course we are also thinking of ourselves, but that will in turn make it better for you newcomers. Its not directed towards you personally. Welcome to a dirty, tough industry that you really are going to look back on affectionately. We absolutely respect your enthusiasm, but research and make wise decisions. Cheers.
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Nah, take it personally. We all hate anybody with fewer hours than us (even if it's just 0.1 hrs) and we all hate anybody who hates us for having fewer hours than them (even it it's just 0.1 hrs).
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Grandma always used to say "start out as you intend to finish"!
Never again should you work any job for less than that of your local doctor or lawyer...
Your a PILOT now son..
Your a PILOT now son..
WA Health are advertising for qualified contract doctors in Halls Creek for $15,000 per week, car, house and utilities paid.
Tell me again why I said no to a medical career?
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Goblin, Because you said no to dealing with little old grannies all day long who complain about thier arthritis. You do it for the love of flying, not the money.
A pilot up here told me "You don't enter this industry for the money, This is GA, There is NO money in. Do it for the love of Flying, just don't get suckered in to doing it for nothing"
As for the Poster. Mate, it doesn't hurt you to try, I'm in the process of trying to find my first job, and I'm telling ya it is bloody hard. But when you do get that first job, its like a weight off your shoulders (I have yet to experience said feeling, thats just the advice from the pilots up here).
Don't give up. Thats my only advice to you. Don't Give Up, and Don't give in to the temptation to work for nothing. I know I'm not
A pilot up here told me "You don't enter this industry for the money, This is GA, There is NO money in. Do it for the love of Flying, just don't get suckered in to doing it for nothing"
As for the Poster. Mate, it doesn't hurt you to try, I'm in the process of trying to find my first job, and I'm telling ya it is bloody hard. But when you do get that first job, its like a weight off your shoulders (I have yet to experience said feeling, thats just the advice from the pilots up here).
Don't give up. Thats my only advice to you. Don't Give Up, and Don't give in to the temptation to work for nothing. I know I'm not