ALAEA Elections June 2010
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All I wanted to do was contest for a position and hopefully win it, this outcome sickens me what a piece of work this idiot must be I hope he fails terribly 
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Personally, this whole situation disgusts me. SP was elected by the membership and enjoys near universal support. What he has achieved for members of the ALAEA in his short time as the Fed Sec, surpasses anything I have seen in the fifteen years prior.
Is CASA behind this? Maybe. My instincts tell me that “the airline who does not like to be named in public forums” is more than likely involved.
The individual from Avalon who has nominated to take on the Fed Sec role is either opportunistic, has been put up to it or both. If my instincts are right, this proves once again just how low “the airline who does not like to be named in public forums” is willing to go.
In the interests of LAME’s, and all others employed in Aviation engineering, I hope the AEC decision is overturned.... and I say that as a current AME and non ALAEA member!
Is CASA behind this? Maybe. My instincts tell me that “
the airline who does not like to be named in public forums” is more than likely involved. The individual from Avalon who has nominated to take on the Fed Sec role is either opportunistic, has been put up to it or both. If my instincts are right, this proves once again just how low “
the airline who does not like to be named in public forums” is willing to go. In the interests of LAME’s, and all others employed in Aviation engineering, I hope the AEC decision is overturned.... and I say that as a current AME and non ALAEA member!
SP has helped me out on occasion, really good guy and breath of fresh air compared to the previous executive, what is happening now does suck a fairly decent set of monkey balls.
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Hey all,
I can absolutely assure everyone that no airline is behind the two man challenge from Avalon. I have spoken to senior airline officials and although they would prefer not to deal with the ALAEA these days due to its recent success, the managers always know where they stand with us and when we shake hands and agree to take or not take action, we always follow through with our commitments. Simply, I think they respect us.
The two from Avalon are seen as a far worse option by management and have been known to act irrationally and press matters that have little or no prospect of success.
I do however believe that CASA are involved in this drive to have us replaced. This is evidenced by the way our personal details were handed across almost immediately to one of the candidates after the individual wrote to them explaining that we could be removed from our positions if our licences were not current (yet to be determined if licence currency is required). The ALAEA are caught up in a long running FOI case with CASA that started 3 years ago when we requested information about surveylance of overseas maintenance facilities.
When I called CASA to ask why my personal details were handed over, I was put through to the FOI manager. He said he didn't have a problem handing my details over because an FOI application was lodged. He then asked why I would complain when we had a similar application for information in against CASA. He directly linked it to our application without provocation.
What goes around comes around.
I can absolutely assure everyone that no airline is behind the two man challenge from Avalon. I have spoken to senior airline officials and although they would prefer not to deal with the ALAEA these days due to its recent success, the managers always know where they stand with us and when we shake hands and agree to take or not take action, we always follow through with our commitments. Simply, I think they respect us.
The two from Avalon are seen as a far worse option by management and have been known to act irrationally and press matters that have little or no prospect of success.
I do however believe that CASA are involved in this drive to have us replaced. This is evidenced by the way our personal details were handed across almost immediately to one of the candidates after the individual wrote to them explaining that we could be removed from our positions if our licences were not current (yet to be determined if licence currency is required). The ALAEA are caught up in a long running FOI case with CASA that started 3 years ago when we requested information about surveylance of overseas maintenance facilities.
When I called CASA to ask why my personal details were handed over, I was put through to the FOI manager. He said he didn't have a problem handing my details over because an FOI application was lodged. He then asked why I would complain when we had a similar application for information in against CASA. He directly linked it to our application without provocation.
What goes around comes around.
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yes what has happened does suck....but keep the thread on track the previous executive helped me and am sure that the one before helped someone else and so on, so lets stick together on this and try save steve's position so we dont have to put up with a venomous cobra
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As long as licence expired less than 2 years ago, You can just sit AA (Air Leg) to have the Licence Reactivated.
AAC 9-0 states
8. Renewal of Expired AME Licences
CAR 32A places the responsibility for renewing AME licences squarely on the shoulders of the licence holder. The regulation also states that the licence may be renewed before it expires. There is no regulation that permits the renewal of the licence after it expires.
Accordingly, applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired must comply with ALL the requirements for the issue of an AME licence as stipulated in CAR 31 (4), CAO 100.90 and the applicable sections and the applicable AAC. As the holder of an expired AME licence has previously been assessed as being a "Qualified Person" (as defined by CAR 31(4)) by virtue of previously holding a licence, it can be assumed that he/she is still a “Qualified Person".
The applicant will however, still have to satisfy the Authority that he/she has no disability that could affect his/her technical skill or judgement. Both CAR 31 (4)(b)(iii) and CAO 100.90 Para 6 require applicants for an AME licence to hold a credit for the Airworthiness Examination "AA" before the licence is issue.
Further more, CAO 100.90 Para 6 states that the "AA"credit be gained within the previous twenty-four months of the licence being issued. As an AME licence is only valid for twenty-four months, the credit for the "AA" examination expires at the same time as the licence. Consequently, applicants for the issue of an expired AME licence must pass the full written "AA" examination before the licence can again be issued, even if the licence has expired for only one day.
Applications for the issue of AME licences that have expired in excess of twenty- four months shall be referred to Canberra for assessment of the applicant’s recent Aviation experience. Depending on the time of inactivity in the industry, applicants may be required to complete a reduced Schedule of Experience (SOE) or in extreme cases a full SOE and sit examination/s designed to assess the applicant’s technical knowledge.
Note: Applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired for LESS THAN TWO YEARS will be required to pay for the:
c. "AA" examination; and
d. reissue of the AME licence. (item 8.2 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Applicants for the issue on an AME licence that has expired for a period of TWO YEARS OR GREATER will be required to pay for the:
a. "AA" examination; and
b. issue of the AME licence. (item 8.1 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Holders AME licences that have expired are reminded that certifications made during the period in which the licence was expired do not constitute a certification and it is an offence under CAR 282 1). When licence holders become aware that their licence had expired and that they have made certifications during the period of licence invalidity, they must contact the closest Airworthiness office for instructions.
AAC 9-0 states
8. Renewal of Expired AME Licences
CAR 32A places the responsibility for renewing AME licences squarely on the shoulders of the licence holder. The regulation also states that the licence may be renewed before it expires. There is no regulation that permits the renewal of the licence after it expires.
Accordingly, applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired must comply with ALL the requirements for the issue of an AME licence as stipulated in CAR 31 (4), CAO 100.90 and the applicable sections and the applicable AAC. As the holder of an expired AME licence has previously been assessed as being a "Qualified Person" (as defined by CAR 31(4)) by virtue of previously holding a licence, it can be assumed that he/she is still a “Qualified Person".
The applicant will however, still have to satisfy the Authority that he/she has no disability that could affect his/her technical skill or judgement. Both CAR 31 (4)(b)(iii) and CAO 100.90 Para 6 require applicants for an AME licence to hold a credit for the Airworthiness Examination "AA" before the licence is issue.
Further more, CAO 100.90 Para 6 states that the "AA"credit be gained within the previous twenty-four months of the licence being issued. As an AME licence is only valid for twenty-four months, the credit for the "AA" examination expires at the same time as the licence. Consequently, applicants for the issue of an expired AME licence must pass the full written "AA" examination before the licence can again be issued, even if the licence has expired for only one day.
Applications for the issue of AME licences that have expired in excess of twenty- four months shall be referred to Canberra for assessment of the applicant’s recent Aviation experience. Depending on the time of inactivity in the industry, applicants may be required to complete a reduced Schedule of Experience (SOE) or in extreme cases a full SOE and sit examination/s designed to assess the applicant’s technical knowledge.
Note: Applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired for LESS THAN TWO YEARS will be required to pay for the:
c. "AA" examination; and
d. reissue of the AME licence. (item 8.2 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Applicants for the issue on an AME licence that has expired for a period of TWO YEARS OR GREATER will be required to pay for the:
a. "AA" examination; and
b. issue of the AME licence. (item 8.1 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Holders AME licences that have expired are reminded that certifications made during the period in which the licence was expired do not constitute a certification and it is an offence under CAR 282 1). When licence holders become aware that their licence had expired and that they have made certifications during the period of licence invalidity, they must contact the closest Airworthiness office for instructions.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what does anything below have to do with running an Association? These are CASA regulations for someone to be "qualified" (and I use that term loosely) to show their preficiency to certify aircraft.
CAR's have nothing to do with the executive positions within an Association/Union. Just because one no longer holds a licence does not preclude them from being proficient to represent his members. SP is most probably still more "Qualified" without his licence than those that hold theirs. SP or his possible replacement don't have to know how to swing a spanner or hook up an electrical loom. Their job is to know the legalities of the responsibilities of a LAME and the EBA they are bound by, and to ensure that all parties are keeping withing the EBA.
Let's look at the bigger picture. This headhunting at this stage of the game has come about because if the upcoming EBA, and the two Steves are wanted to be out of the way to make way for a more compliant ALAEA.
Regardless of who is heading the ALAEA, and I'm hoping its SP, it is still up to the members to vote and stand for their rights as was done in the GREAT WAR of 2008!
Remeber this point. If the new Fed Sec is an airline employee, he cannot have his loyalty in two places at once. If he does as he's told by his employer, he will climb the corporate ladder. If he stands fast and supports his members, his prospects of climbng the ladder will be somewhat thwarted.
CAR's have nothing to do with the executive positions within an Association/Union. Just because one no longer holds a licence does not preclude them from being proficient to represent his members. SP is most probably still more "Qualified" without his licence than those that hold theirs. SP or his possible replacement don't have to know how to swing a spanner or hook up an electrical loom. Their job is to know the legalities of the responsibilities of a LAME and the EBA they are bound by, and to ensure that all parties are keeping withing the EBA.
Let's look at the bigger picture. This headhunting at this stage of the game has come about because if the upcoming EBA, and the two Steves are wanted to be out of the way to make way for a more compliant ALAEA.
Regardless of who is heading the ALAEA, and I'm hoping its SP, it is still up to the members to vote and stand for their rights as was done in the GREAT WAR of 2008!
Remeber this point. If the new Fed Sec is an airline employee, he cannot have his loyalty in two places at once. If he does as he's told by his employer, he will climb the corporate ladder. If he stands fast and supports his members, his prospects of climbng the ladder will be somewhat thwarted.
As long as licence expired less than 2 years ago, You can just sit AA (Air Leg) to have the Licence Reactivated.
AAC 9-0 states
8. Renewal of Expired AME Licences
CAR 32A places the responsibility for renewing AME licences squarely on the shoulders of the licence holder. The regulation also states that the licence may be renewed before it expires. There is no regulation that permits the renewal of the licence after it expires.
Accordingly, applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired must comply with ALL the requirements for the issue of an AME licence as stipulated in CAR 31 (4), CAO 100.90 and the applicable sections and the applicable AAC. As the holder of an expired AME licence has previously been assessed as being a "Qualified Person" (as defined by CAR 31(4)) by virtue of previously holding a licence, it can be assumed that he/she is still a “Qualified Person".
The applicant will however, still have to satisfy the Authority that he/she has no disability that could affect his/her technical skill or judgement. Both CAR 31 (4)(b)(iii) and CAO 100.90 Para 6 require applicants for an AME licence to hold a credit for the Airworthiness Examination "AA" before the licence is issue.
Further more, CAO 100.90 Para 6 states that the "AA"credit be gained within the previous twenty-four months of the licence being issued. As an AME licence is only valid for twenty-four months, the credit for the "AA" examination expires at the same time as the licence. Consequently, applicants for the issue of an expired AME licence must pass the full written "AA" examination before the licence can again be issued, even if the licence has expired for only one day.
Applications for the issue of AME licences that have expired in excess of twenty- four months shall be referred to Canberra for assessment of the applicant’s recent Aviation experience. Depending on the time of inactivity in the industry, applicants may be required to complete a reduced Schedule of Experience (SOE) or in extreme cases a full SOE and sit examination/s designed to assess the applicant’s technical knowledge.
Note: Applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired for LESS THAN TWO YEARS will be required to pay for the:
c. "AA" examination; and
d. reissue of the AME licence. (item 8.2 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Applicants for the issue on an AME licence that has expired for a period of TWO YEARS OR GREATER will be required to pay for the:
a. "AA" examination; and
b. issue of the AME licence. (item 8.1 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Holders AME licences that have expired are reminded that certifications made during the period in which the licence was expired do not constitute a certification and it is an offence under CAR 282 1). When licence holders become aware that their licence had expired and that they have made certifications during the period of licence invalidity, they must contact the closest Airworthiness office for instructions.
AAC 9-0 states
8. Renewal of Expired AME Licences
CAR 32A places the responsibility for renewing AME licences squarely on the shoulders of the licence holder. The regulation also states that the licence may be renewed before it expires. There is no regulation that permits the renewal of the licence after it expires.
Accordingly, applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired must comply with ALL the requirements for the issue of an AME licence as stipulated in CAR 31 (4), CAO 100.90 and the applicable sections and the applicable AAC. As the holder of an expired AME licence has previously been assessed as being a "Qualified Person" (as defined by CAR 31(4)) by virtue of previously holding a licence, it can be assumed that he/she is still a “Qualified Person".
The applicant will however, still have to satisfy the Authority that he/she has no disability that could affect his/her technical skill or judgement. Both CAR 31 (4)(b)(iii) and CAO 100.90 Para 6 require applicants for an AME licence to hold a credit for the Airworthiness Examination "AA" before the licence is issue.
Further more, CAO 100.90 Para 6 states that the "AA"credit be gained within the previous twenty-four months of the licence being issued. As an AME licence is only valid for twenty-four months, the credit for the "AA" examination expires at the same time as the licence. Consequently, applicants for the issue of an expired AME licence must pass the full written "AA" examination before the licence can again be issued, even if the licence has expired for only one day.
Applications for the issue of AME licences that have expired in excess of twenty- four months shall be referred to Canberra for assessment of the applicant’s recent Aviation experience. Depending on the time of inactivity in the industry, applicants may be required to complete a reduced Schedule of Experience (SOE) or in extreme cases a full SOE and sit examination/s designed to assess the applicant’s technical knowledge.
Note: Applicants for the issue of an AME licence that has expired for LESS THAN TWO YEARS will be required to pay for the:
c. "AA" examination; and
d. reissue of the AME licence. (item 8.2 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Applicants for the issue on an AME licence that has expired for a period of TWO YEARS OR GREATER will be required to pay for the:
a. "AA" examination; and
b. issue of the AME licence. (item 8.1 of the Schedule of Fees refers)
Holders AME licences that have expired are reminded that certifications made during the period in which the licence was expired do not constitute a certification and it is an offence under CAR 282 1). When licence holders become aware that their licence had expired and that they have made certifications during the period of licence invalidity, they must contact the closest Airworthiness office for instructions.
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Keep Dreaming.
If any-one thinks they can get a free ride to run our Union membership due to a technicality then tell them to snap out of it. Simply put, its just not going to happen. End of story... :-)
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your right it has nothing to do with CASA.......its our rules that you have to be a LAME....thats what this is all about the difference of holding a current licence or holding a licence that has not been renewed,either way you still hold the quals in my view so you should still be able to stand for re-election....but its the courts that will make that determination........any news on that ?????
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Unfortunately, the courts are only led by the blind following of any technicalities, and not by the past performance of someone who has done the job as it's supposed to be. Impartial, in the interests of the members and making those accountable that should be made accountable.
Maybe the constitution of the ALAEA should be revised to read that those making up the senior levels of the Association should have held an aircraft licence during their career, but don't need to hold a current licence to occupy the position. Anyone second that motion?
I agree, SP has the qualifications as a LAME and to represent the members. The fact that his licence is not current does not diminish his ability to do the job, as he has done so well to date. I can't even remember the last fedsec that has done a job like he has, although I know they're lurking about in junior management roles around the place.
Maybe the constitution of the ALAEA should be revised to read that those making up the senior levels of the Association should have held an aircraft licence during their career, but don't need to hold a current licence to occupy the position. Anyone second that motion?
I agree, SP has the qualifications as a LAME and to represent the members. The fact that his licence is not current does not diminish his ability to do the job, as he has done so well to date. I can't even remember the last fedsec that has done a job like he has, although I know they're lurking about in junior management roles around the place.
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Change the rule
Why was this rule (22e ) introduced in 2001?.Does anyone know?. How do we modify/change it now, to better reflect the current environment. Judging by the comments we have support for a vote or at least a quorum to request a vote. We should support our current executive to the max. They have done more for the members in the last 3 years than any executive in the previous 20.
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as a great man once said -
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This is a load of balderdash and absolute bunkum
I can't say too much because of the court case but do know that yesterday the judge ruled that the ALAEA can make presentations at the hearing because the decision will effect them. The other candidate objected but was unsuccessful in his objections.
If the rules were interpretted correctly they would not need to be changed. The CASA policy for AME licencing makes one point clear -
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Where a LAME submits an application to renew his or her AME licence after the expiry date of the licence, the applicaiton should be processed under on of the following categories.....
Once the initial licence is granted, you are always a LAME.
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This is a load of balderdash and absolute bunkum
I can't say too much because of the court case but do know that yesterday the judge ruled that the ALAEA can make presentations at the hearing because the decision will effect them. The other candidate objected but was unsuccessful in his objections.
If the rules were interpretted correctly they would not need to be changed. The CASA policy for AME licencing makes one point clear -
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Where a LAME submits an application to renew his or her AME licence after the expiry date of the licence, the applicaiton should be processed under on of the following categories.....
Once the initial licence is granted, you are always a LAME.
The current ALAEA Representatives have done what they were elected into office for, and that is to represent its members to the fullest.
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a lame is a lame
once a LAME yes .....but lets not change things so that we can be controled by anyone that has not acheived this qual. the ALAEA means LICENCED ENGINEER...LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY
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Relax. This is just another one of the bungers that is thrown into the works to divert the ALAEA and put some fear into the members.
If we all know what we want, and are prepared to stand for it, then there isn't much the companies, CASA or the AEC can do. Even in the worst case scenario, that IF SP is removed from his position, there's nothing stopping him from acting as a consultant and giving advice to the members. This is a free country afterall.
If the members of the ALAEA could stand together in 2008, thene there's nothing stopping them from standing together in 2010.
It's up to us to stand for what we want. Many of the company employees are pretty well fed up with the way things are going, and the current management doesn't fare any better than their predecessors. Same game, different players.
If we all know what we want, and are prepared to stand for it, then there isn't much the companies, CASA or the AEC can do. Even in the worst case scenario, that IF SP is removed from his position, there's nothing stopping him from acting as a consultant and giving advice to the members. This is a free country afterall.
If the members of the ALAEA could stand together in 2008, thene there's nothing stopping them from standing together in 2010.
It's up to us to stand for what we want. Many of the company employees are pretty well fed up with the way things are going, and the current management doesn't fare any better than their predecessors. Same game, different players.