Relaxed security regs in Aus
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Relaxed security regs in Aus
Effective 25 Dec 2009, the Australian Govt has removed from the prohibited list:
umbrellas with metal points
knitting and crochet needles
pointed metal nail files (including clippers)
corkscrews
racquets for any sport
Airlines now permitted to use metal cutlery.
Still prohibited:
knives
firearms
letter openers
scissors
baseball and cricket bats
golf clubs
hockey sticks
A small step in the right direction.
umbrellas with metal points
knitting and crochet needles
pointed metal nail files (including clippers)
corkscrews
racquets for any sport
Airlines now permitted to use metal cutlery.
Still prohibited:
knives
firearms
letter openers
scissors
baseball and cricket bats
golf clubs
hockey sticks
A small step in the right direction.
Bloody good show, still fail to see how a pair of nail clippers were going to pose a risk to the safety of a flight, apart from poor hygeine...
My old man got pulled up a couple of months ago at security for having a metal fork in his backpack (for hiking). They let it through because it supposedly had square tips as opposed to pointed tips (didn't know there was a difference)
My old man got pulled up a couple of months ago at security for having a metal fork in his backpack (for hiking). They let it through because it supposedly had square tips as opposed to pointed tips (didn't know there was a difference)
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A few months ago a had a spork (I keep it in my nav bag as a back up) taken from when I was operating through BNE. Not a big drama, I got issued a new one with breakfast any way.
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Government would have us believe they have "relaxed" the Regs covering some items. In actual fact they have only responded to a re-evaluation/risk assesment of a number of common items. They couldn't justify keeping those items 'banned' at any rate.
Now all they have to do is to get the rent a thugs at the airports to understand that the pin on the clasp of my medals (that the Government gave me) is also not a banned item. Going to a mates funeral is not made anymore easy by some twit trying to confiscate my service medals because he said the pin was 2mm to long.
For part of my work I have a copy of the TSAct on my computer and nobody could show me where it said I could not carry them. Confused all of them no end.
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Now all they have to do is to get the rent a thugs at the airports to understand that the pin on the clasp of my medals (that the Government gave me) is also not a banned item. Going to a mates funeral is not made anymore easy by some twit trying to confiscate my service medals because he said the pin was 2mm to long.
For part of my work I have a copy of the TSAct on my computer and nobody could show me where it said I could not carry them. Confused all of them no end.
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They may not be relaxed as much now. 
A MAN who attempted to light an explosive aboard a US airplane as it landed in Detroit on a flight from Amsterdam says he is affiliated with al-Qaeda.
CNN, citing a federal bulletin, said the man told investigators he had acquired the explosive in Yemen, along with instructions as to when it should be used.
It was initially believed the man had set off firecrackers.
President Barack Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, was notified about the incident and held a conference call with his national security team, the White House said.
Obama immediately ordered increased security for air travel.
CNN, citing a federal bulletin, said the man told investigators he had acquired the explosive in Yemen, along with instructions as to when it should be used.
It was initially believed the man had set off firecrackers.
President Barack Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, was notified about the incident and held a conference call with his national security team, the White House said.
Obama immediately ordered increased security for air travel.
You can still get onto a Dash 8/Saab at a substantial number of Airports with no security whatsoever.
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Security First !
Hilarious but true,
Not to mention for example the two strands of wire surrounding Thangool Aerodrome,where a QF Dash 8 comes in but you can wander around the tarmac after stepping through the fence dividing the Aerodrome from the surrounding cow paddocks. You can even wander around the plane, look into the cargo hold, walk around a bit more, then casually step through the 'perimeter strand of wire' and be on your way..
This is just one example.
You can still get onto a Dash 8/Saab at a substantial number of Airports with no security whatsoever.
This is just one example.
gobbledock,
If what you say is correct then that is clearly an issue for the ariline concerned, the ground handlers and the airport operator. They are the ones ultimately responsible for the security of the aircraft and making sure no one gets close without authority. There are many other airports around where GA and RPT services combine on small aprons but staff doing their job properly ensure that no person without an operational need approaches the RPT aircraft. I think Thangool itself is the body to be held up to ridicule here. The OTS can always come along and witness instances of unauthorised persons gaining access to the aircraft and they do have the mandate to direct more adequate fences or other measures are implemented. Wouldn't it be much nicer and easier for people to do their job in the first place?
The arguments about fences have been done to death. Whilst they seem inadequate, the risk assessment has determined that the fencing required to provide a deterrant to unauthorised entry at Thangool is not the same as what is required at a larger airport. THat system seems to work reasonably well in other locations even where jet RPT services operate.
If what you say is correct then that is clearly an issue for the ariline concerned, the ground handlers and the airport operator. They are the ones ultimately responsible for the security of the aircraft and making sure no one gets close without authority. There are many other airports around where GA and RPT services combine on small aprons but staff doing their job properly ensure that no person without an operational need approaches the RPT aircraft. I think Thangool itself is the body to be held up to ridicule here. The OTS can always come along and witness instances of unauthorised persons gaining access to the aircraft and they do have the mandate to direct more adequate fences or other measures are implemented. Wouldn't it be much nicer and easier for people to do their job in the first place?
The arguments about fences have been done to death. Whilst they seem inadequate, the risk assessment has determined that the fencing required to provide a deterrant to unauthorised entry at Thangool is not the same as what is required at a larger airport. THat system seems to work reasonably well in other locations even where jet RPT services operate.
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On the subject of relaxed screening i got pulled up for trying to take a toy plastic nerf gun through screening at SYD domestic , it was for my sons chrissy present, and it had been taken through screening at LAX and customs at SYD international with no problems.Those apes at screening don't even know the regs they supposedly are enforcing . In their words it had a trigger and therefore is a replica firearm,god forbid
. Had to go back and check it in. Cant beat mitigating those real risks at airports.
. Had to go back and check it in. Cant beat mitigating those real risks at airports.
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This thread is INCRROECT!!!!
hey guys,
The act is available and upon reading, it would appear that the initial post is not entirely correct. INFACT THE WHOLE THING IS CRAP. TRY POSTING VALID INFO ON THESE THREADS, OTHERWISE GO TO QUIKIPEDIA!!
quote"Effective 25 Dec 2009, the Australian Govt has removed from the prohibited list:
umbrellas with metal points WRONG
knitting and crochet needles WRONG
pointed metal nail files (including clippers) WRONG
corkscrews ONLY FOR USE BY CABIN CREW
racquets for any sport" WRONG
kind regards
Ben
Source "comlaw"
Table 1.07 Prohibited items
Column 1
Item
Column 2
Description of things
1
Sporting goods, kitchen utensils, tools, and other things with sharp edges or points capable of injuring a person
Examples
Crampons
Knives (including leatherworkers’ knives)
Ice axes and ice picks
Rock climbing equipment such as pitons, hooks, hammers and bolts
Ice skates
Meat cleavers
Axes, hatchets and similar things
Metal cutlery
Open razors (also called straight razors)
Scalpels
Ski poles
Darts
Drills
Box cutters
Utility knives
Saws
Umbrellas with metal points
Screwdrivers, crowbars, hammers, pliers and wrenches
2
Sharp things that are not weapons, but are capable (with or without modification) of causing harm by penetration
Examples
Knitting and crochet needles
Letter‑openers
Bodkins
Pointed metal scissors
Pointed metal nail files
Corkscrews
Note See subregulation (6).
Razor blades
Hypodermic needles (whether or not attached to syringes)
3
Blunt things able to be used to bludgeon or threaten to bludgeon a person
Examples
Baseball, softball, and cricket bats and any similar thing used in sport
Hockey and lacrosse sticks and any similar thing used in sport
Racquets used in squash, tennis, badminton or any other sport
Billiard, pool or snooker cues
Golf clubs
Any other piece of wood, metal or any other substance big enough to threaten a person with
4
Household flammable goods
Examples
Aerosol containers, including cans of spray paint
Petrol and any other flammable liquid
Fireworks
Toy caps
5
Things capable of being used to restrain a person and not otherwise permitted under the Act or these Regulations
Examples
Cable ties
Handcuffs
Note See subregulation (9).
Exceptions
(5) Despite subregulation (1) and item 1 of the table, a safety razor is not a prohibited item.
(6) Despite subregulation (1) and item 2 of the table:
(a) a corkscrew is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for the use of an aircraft’s cabin crew; and
(b) a hypodermic needle is taken not to be a prohibited item if the person carrying it shows proof that it is medically necessary for the use of the person or another person who is in the person’s care.
(7) Despite subregulation (1) and item 4 of the table, and subject to subregulation (8):
(a) alcohol (including alcoholic beverages) and perfumes are not prohibited items; and
(b) matches, lighters and lighter fluid are not prohibited items; and
(c) an aerosol container (including one that contains a flammable substance) is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for:
(i) personal (including cosmetic) use; or
(ii) a medical application.
Example for subparagraph (7) (c) (ii)
An asthma inhaler.
(8) Subregulation (7) does not apply in relation to items of a kind referred to in item 4 of the table carried by a person if:
(a) the total volume of liquid items of that kind carried by the person is greater than 2 litres; or
(b) the total mass of items of that kind (other than liquids) carried by the person is greater than 2 kilograms.
(9) Despite subregulation (1) and item 5 of the table, handcuffs and similar restraining devices are taken not to be prohibited items:
(a) if carried by a person who is escorting a person in custody; or
(b) if carried on an aircraft with the authority of its operator for the purpose of restraining a violent person.
(10) A thing that is part of an aircraft’s stores or emergency equipment, or of an airline operator’s or airport operator’s emergency equipment, is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is not readily accessible to passengers or the public generally.
(11) A knife or knife‑like object (whether or not made of metal) strong enough to be used as a weapon is a prohibited item.
(12) A pair of scissors with blades more than 6 cm long, or a pair
of manicure scissors, is a prohibited item, but a pair of blunt‑ ended or round‑ended scissors with blades less than 6 cm long is not a prohibited item.
(13) To avoid doubt:
(a) a fork is not a prohibited item if:
(i) the tines have square or round ends; and
(ii) the handle is round‑ended and is not detachable; and
(b) a plastic cutlery knife is not a prohibited item.
(14) To avoid doubt, walking sticks, crutches and other mobility aids are not prohibited items.
The act is available and upon reading, it would appear that the initial post is not entirely correct. INFACT THE WHOLE THING IS CRAP. TRY POSTING VALID INFO ON THESE THREADS, OTHERWISE GO TO QUIKIPEDIA!!
quote"Effective 25 Dec 2009, the Australian Govt has removed from the prohibited list:
umbrellas with metal points WRONG
knitting and crochet needles WRONG
pointed metal nail files (including clippers) WRONG
corkscrews ONLY FOR USE BY CABIN CREW
racquets for any sport" WRONG
kind regards
Ben
Source "comlaw"
Table 1.07 Prohibited items
Column 1
Item
Column 2
Description of things
1
Sporting goods, kitchen utensils, tools, and other things with sharp edges or points capable of injuring a person
Examples
Crampons
Knives (including leatherworkers’ knives)
Ice axes and ice picks
Rock climbing equipment such as pitons, hooks, hammers and bolts
Ice skates
Meat cleavers
Axes, hatchets and similar things
Metal cutlery
Note See subregulation (13).
Open razors (also called straight razors)
Note See subregulation (5).
Scalpels
Ski poles
Darts
Drills
Box cutters
Utility knives
Saws
Umbrellas with metal points
Screwdrivers, crowbars, hammers, pliers and wrenches
2
Sharp things that are not weapons, but are capable (with or without modification) of causing harm by penetration
Examples
Knitting and crochet needles
Letter‑openers
Bodkins
Pointed metal scissors
Pointed metal nail files
Corkscrews
Note See subregulation (6).
Razor blades
Hypodermic needles (whether or not attached to syringes)
Note See subregulation (6).
Blunt things able to be used to bludgeon or threaten to bludgeon a person
Examples
Baseball, softball, and cricket bats and any similar thing used in sport
Hockey and lacrosse sticks and any similar thing used in sport
Racquets used in squash, tennis, badminton or any other sport
Billiard, pool or snooker cues
Golf clubs
Any other piece of wood, metal or any other substance big enough to threaten a person with
Note See subregulation (14).
4
Household flammable goods
Examples
Aerosol containers, including cans of spray paint
Note See subregulation (7).
Fireworks
Toy caps
5
Things capable of being used to restrain a person and not otherwise permitted under the Act or these Regulations
Examples
Cable ties
Handcuffs
Note See subregulation (9).
Exceptions
(5) Despite subregulation (1) and item 1 of the table, a safety razor is not a prohibited item.
(6) Despite subregulation (1) and item 2 of the table:
(a) a corkscrew is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for the use of an aircraft’s cabin crew; and
(b) a hypodermic needle is taken not to be a prohibited item if the person carrying it shows proof that it is medically necessary for the use of the person or another person who is in the person’s care.
(7) Despite subregulation (1) and item 4 of the table, and subject to subregulation (8):
(a) alcohol (including alcoholic beverages) and perfumes are not prohibited items; and
(b) matches, lighters and lighter fluid are not prohibited items; and
(c) an aerosol container (including one that contains a flammable substance) is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for:
(i) personal (including cosmetic) use; or
(ii) a medical application.
Example for subparagraph (7) (c) (ii)
An asthma inhaler.
(8) Subregulation (7) does not apply in relation to items of a kind referred to in item 4 of the table carried by a person if:
(a) the total volume of liquid items of that kind carried by the person is greater than 2 litres; or
(b) the total mass of items of that kind (other than liquids) carried by the person is greater than 2 kilograms.
(9) Despite subregulation (1) and item 5 of the table, handcuffs and similar restraining devices are taken not to be prohibited items:
(a) if carried by a person who is escorting a person in custody; or
(b) if carried on an aircraft with the authority of its operator for the purpose of restraining a violent person.
(10) A thing that is part of an aircraft’s stores or emergency equipment, or of an airline operator’s or airport operator’s emergency equipment, is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is not readily accessible to passengers or the public generally.
(11) A knife or knife‑like object (whether or not made of metal) strong enough to be used as a weapon is a prohibited item.
(12) A pair of scissors with blades more than 6 cm long, or a pair
of manicure scissors, is a prohibited item, but a pair of blunt‑ ended or round‑ended scissors with blades less than 6 cm long is not a prohibited item.
(13) To avoid doubt:
(a) a fork is not a prohibited item if:
(i) the tines have square or round ends; and
(ii) the handle is round‑ended and is not detachable; and
(b) a plastic cutlery knife is not a prohibited item.
(14) To avoid doubt, walking sticks, crutches and other mobility aids are not prohibited items.
Just got an email from a friend in the US, and apparently as a result of the Delta incident the TSA are talking about introducing onerous new restrictions on all passenger flights in the US -
Whilst these are typical knee-jerk reactions to an isolated occurrence, it will not do the airline industry any good.
- all passengers must remain seated for last hour of flight
- no use of laptops in flight
- no accessing hand luggage from overhead bins
Whilst these are typical knee-jerk reactions to an isolated occurrence, it will not do the airline industry any good.
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Dont shoot the messenger
YPJT, My post is not directed at any individual person,company,authority or at anybody specifically.The post simply states a fact observed on one of several occasions at the same aerodrome,nothing more and nothing less.
Cheers
Cheers
chimbu, those paranoid septics in the TSA wont be happy until all passengers (and probably the crew as well) board an aircraft with no carry on, stark naked and with passport and travel details in a barcode tatood on our butt cheek.
gobbledock, my point is that your observations are not necessarily a reflection on the provisions of the regs, rather people neglecting to fulfil their obligations under their respective Transport Security Programs.
Cheers,
Fatboywings, The posts are all in reference to the White Paper which is a policy document and it was only released in the lead up to Christmas. THe regs will be changed in due course when all the public servants go back to work. I doubt very much that the minister would back down now from what has already been reported widely throughout the media.
Screening authorities have already beeen receiving written direction on the new measures to be put in place. I don't know when that will be though.
Cheers,
Fatboywings, The posts are all in reference to the White Paper which is a policy document and it was only released in the lead up to Christmas. THe regs will be changed in due course when all the public servants go back to work. I doubt very much that the minister would back down now from what has already been reported widely throughout the media.
Screening authorities have already beeen receiving written direction on the new measures to be put in place. I don't know when that will be though.
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Please Explain
Hi Twigg,
I am wondering if you could explain your comment. I have at least given you the consideration of the legislation as at the 17/12/2009 to back up what the current rules are. Maybe i shouldn't type in red and sorry if i offended you.
The reason i would like an explaination is, i want my alan key back from newcastle jetstar. Flew to Coolie last week and they confiscated my 3mm alan key out of my camera kit. Still trying to figure out why too. Can't find it on the prohibited list above.
So i guess all i am asking for is a bit more evidence to back up your statement.
The 25th has come and gone and a white paper (albeit neccessary for change) is not legislation until passed and available to Australian citizens through formal channels such as commlaw etc.
Kind Regareds
Ben
I am wondering if you could explain your comment. I have at least given you the consideration of the legislation as at the 17/12/2009 to back up what the current rules are. Maybe i shouldn't type in red and sorry if i offended you.
The reason i would like an explaination is, i want my alan key back from newcastle jetstar. Flew to Coolie last week and they confiscated my 3mm alan key out of my camera kit. Still trying to figure out why too. Can't find it on the prohibited list above.
So i guess all i am asking for is a bit more evidence to back up your statement.
The 25th has come and gone and a white paper (albeit neccessary for change) is not legislation until passed and available to Australian citizens through formal channels such as commlaw etc.
Kind Regareds
Ben
Fatboywings,
Your dilemma is exactly the topic of a recent discussion I had with the deparment, namely inconsistency in interpretation of what are and what are not prohibited items. No one in this game is perfect, some will use common sense and others will err on the side of extreme caution and until every conceivable physical item is listed in a table somewhere, we are going to be faced with situations such as you experienced.
My advice, Print out the latest table of items from the ATSRs and have it handy. Ask to speak to the security supervisor if you disagree with a screening officer. Sadly though you will be pushing the proverbial uphill with a pointy stick as they will stick together in order to save face.
As an aside, I have been flying with a pair of noise cancelling headsets for about the last 4 years. On a recent flight PER - SYD during the cabin prep for landing the FA looked at me, went to the CM for a few words and then came back and said, I'm sorry sir, you will have to turn those off for landing as they are noise cancelling and you will not be able to hear our instructions in the event of an emergency. Errr... don't your instructions usually get passed via the PA anyway?
Point is, it's no good arguing with someone who has probably less understanding than you of the relevant rules.
Your dilemma is exactly the topic of a recent discussion I had with the deparment, namely inconsistency in interpretation of what are and what are not prohibited items. No one in this game is perfect, some will use common sense and others will err on the side of extreme caution and until every conceivable physical item is listed in a table somewhere, we are going to be faced with situations such as you experienced.
My advice, Print out the latest table of items from the ATSRs and have it handy. Ask to speak to the security supervisor if you disagree with a screening officer. Sadly though you will be pushing the proverbial uphill with a pointy stick as they will stick together in order to save face.
As an aside, I have been flying with a pair of noise cancelling headsets for about the last 4 years. On a recent flight PER - SYD during the cabin prep for landing the FA looked at me, went to the CM for a few words and then came back and said, I'm sorry sir, you will have to turn those off for landing as they are noise cancelling and you will not be able to hear our instructions in the event of an emergency. Errr... don't your instructions usually get passed via the PA anyway?
Point is, it's no good arguing with someone who has probably less understanding than you of the relevant rules.