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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:22
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It could be worse, we could live in France, where you need a hi-viz vest if you break down on the side of the road...
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:24
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Cry me a river

It's just a vest. It takes up no room in a flight bag, takes 2 seconds to put on, and as an added bonus is "Hi-Vis".

Now let's get onto a real safety issue in aviation. Something that has been carelessly & dare I say willfully used with reckless indifference against & by fellow aviators for years; The Semicolon.

This punctuation is real people; and used in the wong hands, who knows what untold damage may be done.

Are you or someone you know a victim of semicolon use?

Be safe people.
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:44
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It is a well known fact that most road accidents are caused by people taking the pickle out of their Maccas. High viz vests may prevent this, but then again more prescriptive legislation would probably do the trick.
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:46
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It is a sad fact that most crash victims are not wearing an high viz vest.
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:54
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I'd suggest that the vast majority of people that die or suffer injury every day (millions).....are not wearing a hi-vis vest!!!!
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 07:57
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You reckon OH&S is bad in aviation, wait until you get the OH&S experts rock up to your local steam railway preservation society.

The young OH&S expert with all his life experience telling the retired steam drivers how to be safe around the iron horse etc.
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 09:01
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OH&S experts would have a field day if they saw LAME's doing engine adjustments while the prop was turning
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Old 29th Nov 2009, 09:18
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OH & S in nearly all states now have a "2 metre" legislation relating to working higher than 2 metres off the ground, and associated diktats for safety harnesses etc. Very tricky to comply when you're on the roof of a helicopter in the middle of a paddock somewhere carrying out a pre flight inspection And how did we manage on aircraft carrier flight decks in the 60's and 70's without OH & S.....

The hi vis vest on the apron is indicative of the world gone mad. Going OT, my friend's van has now been impounded by his local police since last June following a fatal accident where a pedestrian walked in front of him whilst in heavy traffic at a speed well below the posted limit. Every attempt seems to be pursued to implicate the driver for not seeing the pedestrian who intruded into the vehicle's right of way. Little issue seems to be made about the deceased failing to see a 4 tonne van being driven legally on the road
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 01:36
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GADRIVER

was that due to changes in the 70s in the education system, mediocre performance was rewarded and indeed encouraged amongst that generation. It would interesting to see as to whether someone with far better Googling skills than me could come up with info confirming that view.
I think there is a lot to be said for this. Maybe it doesn't explain everything, but what we teach - or do not teach - our young folk, manifests its self in the broader community eventually.

Regarding OH&S it would help to replace bureaucrats with men who have real world experience and a dose of common sense.

My vote goes to Fred Bibna for OH&S rep

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BBC documentary about Fred Dibhah
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 01:58
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OH & S in nearly all states now have a "2 metre" legislation relating to working higher than 2 metres off the ground
We too went through that John. Company proposal was we have stands with necessary steps and handrails installed to surround the aircraft to access and preflight. They bought the argument that pushing stands around the ramp in the usual 40 knot zephyr might not be a good idea.

The 2 metre thing - a good job the rule wasn't around when ZEEBEE was a 12 year old refuelling Tigers at the local airport. And slinging 44 drums around like the were skittles, you're not permitted to lift anything heavier than a Mars Bar these days. And a 12 year old on a airport
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Brian Abraham
you're not permitted to lift anything heavier than a Mars Bar these days
and then only with a JSA (Job Safety Analysis) signed by the Queen Mum. Which is getting really hard to do these days
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 03:09
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The problem is our society is a bunch of sissys and we can't get anything done!

Want to build something? The amount of bureaucracy you have to face is unbelievable and the money wasted is a farce! Curfews at airports are an ideal example.

Why are we introducing a carbon trading scheme? It's simply a cash grab from the bloody pollies. The way it should be handled is to simply say 'this is our target for carbon emissions'. By this date xxxx your vehicle will only be allowed to emit xxx, power generation must be xxxx percent green and industry must achieve xxxx. If you don't we will fine you xxx per week/month/year until you comply.

If they can charge us for emmisions then next they will be charging us for the air! Wait for the fart police to tax that too!
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 03:36
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Had a run in with a 'Security' wallah. I was wearing a white pilot shirt. He said it has to be Hi-Vis 'green'. White is the brighest of all as it is all colours combined for maximum reflectivity. Wonder if I'll end up in court?
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Folks,
Recently out of the trucking industry: A certain model of well known truck, State OH&S demanded that access platforms be provided, plus safety harness, for a driver to get in and out of the cab. From ground level to the floor of the cab is right on 2m.
Going to make it a bit difficult to go for a "safe c--p" at a truck stop.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 04:11
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Goblin is right...

Emissions should be reduced by setting standards and limits for emitters and not by the introduction of an ETS.

Of course the government(s) have the problem that they have to pay an ever growing army of civil servants and they need ever more money to do so. The civil servants in turn are always thinking of ways to complicate issues they are involved in, by introducing more and more regulations, thereby justifying their own position and sense of importance. Eventually the system will collapse under its own weight.

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Isn't there a famous ex-golfer who had a brief (but unforgettable) interlude with an aircraft that wears half a vest (now that is...)?

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Old 30th Nov 2009, 04:27
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Metre Rule

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That one's easy - just let some air out of the tyres!
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 06:18
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Of course the government(s) have the problem that they have to pay an ever growing army of civil servants and they need ever more money to do so.
A friend who is an environmental scientist has applied for and been given a job with the federal government, only thing is it is subject to the ETS being passed by Parliament this week!
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Old 30th Nov 2009, 08:41
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Isn't there a famous ex-golfer who had a brief (but unforgettable) interlude with an aircraft that wears half a vest (now that is...)?
Yeah, but I think the DAMP regulations would have been a better preventative measure the hi vis vest. Even though he wasn't in a safety sensitive role at the time, merely airside.


Little issue seems to be made about the deceased failing to see a 4 tonne van being driven legally on the road
Perhaps if the van has been painted in hi vis colours instead of that pesky white, then perhaps the decease would have seen it coming.
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