NVFR with instrument rating
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NVFR with instrument rating
G'day all, this has probably been discussed before, but i am curious and i hope someone can answer my question. Can a pilot who is MECIR fly under NVFR procedures if he/she does not hold a NVFR rating, so long as they are current at night? I have read CAO 40.2.1 paragraph 14.1, but was hoping someone could give a clear answer. Secondly, can a pilot who has a MECIR but not NVFR as above, become night current by flying ICUS with someone who is both MECIR and NVFR and current.
cheers, hope i didnt confuse anyone!
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Yes and Yes - though Im not sure about it being anyone to do the ICUS, ICUS is normally conducted within an organisation, with the person conducting the ICUS being approved to do so. I don't think you can just go with your mate who's current and log ICUS. If you dont work for an aviation company, you should probably see an instructor to become current again.
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Yes.
No.
If you need the cross country time or 1 take of and landing it will need to be with an instructor who is operating under an appropriate AOC and authorised to conduct the said training.
One exception is if you are a copilot. You do not need to be current provided the skipper is.
No.
If you need the cross country time or 1 take of and landing it will need to be with an instructor who is operating under an appropriate AOC and authorised to conduct the said training.
One exception is if you are a copilot. You do not need to be current provided the skipper is.
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To clarify, NVFR is permitted by a MECIR holder provided the aeronautical and recency requirements are met. I hold a MECIR but can not fly NVFR as I do not hold the aeronautical experience of 10 hours cross country under NVFR procedures.
At least that's how I understand the orders, but willing to be corrected.
Civil Aviation Order 40.2.1
14.1 A particular grade of command instrument rating authorises the holder of the
rating to fly an aircraft of the category concerned within Australia as pilot in
command, or co-pilot, using the navigation aids endorsed in the holder’s
personal log book in the following circumstances:
(a) Private and aerial work flights under night V.F.R. procedures provided
the pilot meets the aeronautical and recent experience requirements
applicable to a night V.F.R. endorsement.
(b) Charter flights under night V.F.R. procedures, provided the following
aeronautical and recent experience requirements are satisfied:
(i) Aeronautical Experience. The pilot’s aeronautical experience shall
include 10 hours cross-country flight time using night V.F.R.
procedures including a minimum of 2 navigation exercises (of at
least 300 nautical miles or 3 hours duration), as either pilot in
command or in command under supervision. Each exercise shall
exceed a distance of 100 nautical miles from the point of departure
and shall provide at least 1 landing at an aerodrome other than that
of departure, located in an area remote from extensive ground
lighting.
(ii) Recent Experience. The pilot’s recent experience shall include
3 take-offs and landings by night within the preceding 90 days, and
either a night cross-country flight (of at least 100 nautical miles or
1 hour duration) within the preceding 6 months or a flight check by
night with an approved person also within the preceding 6 months.
14.2 The holder of a co-pilot instrument rating may act as co-pilot on flights by
night under V.F.R. procedures, and exercise the privileges of a night V.F.R.
endorsement, provided the aeronautical and recent experience requirements
applicable to the type of operation and class of rating are satisfied.
At least that's how I understand the orders, but willing to be corrected.
Civil Aviation Order 40.2.1
14.1 A particular grade of command instrument rating authorises the holder of the
rating to fly an aircraft of the category concerned within Australia as pilot in
command, or co-pilot, using the navigation aids endorsed in the holder’s
personal log book in the following circumstances:
(a) Private and aerial work flights under night V.F.R. procedures provided
the pilot meets the aeronautical and recent experience requirements
applicable to a night V.F.R. endorsement.
(b) Charter flights under night V.F.R. procedures, provided the following
aeronautical and recent experience requirements are satisfied:
(i) Aeronautical Experience. The pilot’s aeronautical experience shall
include 10 hours cross-country flight time using night V.F.R.
procedures including a minimum of 2 navigation exercises (of at
least 300 nautical miles or 3 hours duration), as either pilot in
command or in command under supervision. Each exercise shall
exceed a distance of 100 nautical miles from the point of departure
and shall provide at least 1 landing at an aerodrome other than that
of departure, located in an area remote from extensive ground
lighting.
(ii) Recent Experience. The pilot’s recent experience shall include
3 take-offs and landings by night within the preceding 90 days, and
either a night cross-country flight (of at least 100 nautical miles or
1 hour duration) within the preceding 6 months or a flight check by
night with an approved person also within the preceding 6 months.
14.2 The holder of a co-pilot instrument rating may act as co-pilot on flights by
night under V.F.R. procedures, and exercise the privileges of a night V.F.R.
endorsement, provided the aeronautical and recent experience requirements
applicable to the type of operation and class of rating are satisfied.
Simple answer - a CIR allows you to fly NVFR as long as:
1 - You meet the minimum experience to do the NVFR flight test (but do not have to actually do the test)
2 - You meet all NVFR recency requirements.
Only difference between NVFR is that you don't have to do the NVFR flight test (although it makes sense to do it, so you can still use it if your CIR lapses)
1 - You meet the minimum experience to do the NVFR flight test (but do not have to actually do the test)
2 - You meet all NVFR recency requirements.
Only difference between NVFR is that you don't have to do the NVFR flight test (although it makes sense to do it, so you can still use it if your CIR lapses)
