Should CASA ask RAAus about this registration?
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Arnold, thats almost true, most I know of have a BEW around 500 or so kg, so they would be legal..... so long as you dont hop in and want to fly it.
How heavy is the RAA one and how many ribs and rivets were left out?
By my guess it needs to weigh less than 420kg....... and the bloke I know who has built many of them reckons NO WAY!
How heavy is the RAA one and how many ribs and rivets were left out?
By my guess it needs to weigh less than 420kg....... and the bloke I know who has built many of them reckons NO WAY!
Not sure of the exact weight. Not much actually left out, but such things as no paint, no anti-corrosion priming. steel control stick despenced with etc. You get the idea. mate of mine did the test flying, said it felt ok.
It is true that you cant put much fuel in it.
It is true that you cant put much fuel in it.
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Jaba...fair point, how rude! Please accept my most humble apology!
To make it even..let's just say that on the most recent aircraft type I've been flying, I usually need about 20-30kg of ballast in the nose locker!
To make it even..let's just say that on the most recent aircraft type I've been flying, I usually need about 20-30kg of ballast in the nose locker!
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Vans website says RV7 will weigh ____lb minimum. Remove a seat, a stick and seat belt - what? 4-5lb? What would no paintwork save? 10kg?
There's also a red C152L in the back of Aust Aviation wearing telephone numbers. Factory also says these weigh ____lb.
Yes, empty, both fit under the 544kg MTOW limit, no question.
But it doesn't leave much for useful stuff, like a driver and motion lotion. It would be fair to say an average bloke is 80kg and assume a minimum of 60 litres (44kg) fuel needed.
544 - 80 - 44 = 420 empty weight, a saving of 60kg from the factory listed weight of each bird? Come off it! Let's enlist the help of Pauline Hanson now for comment........
So back to the topic of this thread. "yes"
There's also a red C152L in the back of Aust Aviation wearing telephone numbers. Factory also says these weigh ____lb.
Yes, empty, both fit under the 544kg MTOW limit, no question.
But it doesn't leave much for useful stuff, like a driver and motion lotion. It would be fair to say an average bloke is 80kg and assume a minimum of 60 litres (44kg) fuel needed.
544 - 80 - 44 = 420 empty weight, a saving of 60kg from the factory listed weight of each bird? Come off it! Let's enlist the help of Pauline Hanson now for comment........
So back to the topic of this thread. "yes"
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The aircraft has been weighed twice and both times it complied.
Think about it a bit, its not just a seat and a bit of paint as you have said. There are many areas where weight can be saved. Its a 7, not a 7a, to start with. There is no interior trim except the cushions to sit on. Go on, see if you can think of anything that can be dispenced with without compromising saftey, bet you can and I bet you come up with more than 4-5Kg, and thats what M did.
The aircraft has been weighed twice and both times it complied.
Think about it a bit, its not just a seat and a bit of paint as you have said. There are many areas where weight can be saved. Its a 7, not a 7a, to start with. There is no interior trim except the cushions to sit on. Go on, see if you can think of anything that can be dispenced with without compromising saftey, bet you can and I bet you come up with more than 4-5Kg, and thats what M did.
The 7a would most certanly weigh more than the 7, I pointed this out because some people may not understand that there is a difference.
The FACT IS, IT WAS WEIGHED TWICE ANDCOMPLIED BOTH TIMES
The FACT IS, IT WAS WEIGHED TWICE ANDCOMPLIED BOTH TIMES
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Other areas have potential for big weight variations--engines and props. eg a BD4 can be flown as a 2 seater with a 100 HP C - 0200 & a wooden prop at one end of the scale or a 4 seater with a 300 HP C- IO520 with a constant speed metal prop at the other end. A very large mt wt variation I would think. does anyone know the engine & prop combination of the aircraft in question ?
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So, would those who know more care to state what this RV does weigh?
And what is the owner's weight? Is he a jockey?
And how much fuel does it hold (not what is it placarded to)?
And why does it, or did it, have two seats?
And if going all out for light weight, isn't the 0-360 20lbs heavier than an 0-320, and the prop about 4-5lb? Lycoming & Sensenich factory specs, not mine. Someone feel free to check and confirm.
If it can be done so easily and legally, others may want to follow.
What happens if it gets sold to some huge porker, who then fits the seat belt back in, and paints it.
And what is the owner's weight? Is he a jockey?
And how much fuel does it hold (not what is it placarded to)?
And why does it, or did it, have two seats?
And if going all out for light weight, isn't the 0-360 20lbs heavier than an 0-320, and the prop about 4-5lb? Lycoming & Sensenich factory specs, not mine. Someone feel free to check and confirm.
If it can be done so easily and legally, others may want to follow.
What happens if it gets sold to some huge porker, who then fits the seat belt back in, and paints it.
So let me get this straight! We have a set of RULES, we now have somebody that complies with those rules, and now we are all unhappy?????????????????????????????
So is what you are saying that you dont want people to comply with the rules??, or only the rules that you think are appropriate?
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Are you talking carby or injected? are you talking mags or CDI.
As you have pointed out you dont know the bloke that is flying this aircraft, so
how do you know he is not jockey weight?
If somebody buys the aircraft who is a sumo wrestler, then surely the all up weight is HIS responsibility, the same as any other aircraft.
As I have said I dont particularly agree with what he has done, because I believe it will devalue my aircraft, and I have no interest in putting my 7 on the RAA register, but I will defend to the death the right of someone to comply with the rules if it can be done.
So there!
So is what you are saying that you dont want people to comply with the rules??, or only the rules that you think are appropriate?
CHU
Are you talking carby or injected? are you talking mags or CDI.
As you have pointed out you dont know the bloke that is flying this aircraft, so
how do you know he is not jockey weight?
If somebody buys the aircraft who is a sumo wrestler, then surely the all up weight is HIS responsibility, the same as any other aircraft.
As I have said I dont particularly agree with what he has done, because I believe it will devalue my aircraft, and I have no interest in putting my 7 on the RAA register, but I will defend to the death the right of someone to comply with the rules if it can be done.
So there!
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why is this all about ga versus Raa? if it is regestered then that is ok for me. once it is registered and has been wayed he can put the other seat in and fly two up as long as it was legal when it was regestered because nobody ever checks Raa aircraft once they are flying anyway. I know someone who flies heavy and he has never been caught.