Further Services Being Lost at GA Airports
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Horatio/relax737, Valid points you both make -
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I could not agree more,and totally support your comments.
However,as Aviation people,we cant fix all of the above mentioned issues within Australia, but we can and should 'throw out some noise' about Aviation issues specifically,because that's our field of expertise, not to say they we cant fight for the protection of other industry and services within our country.
GA has never recieved the level of 'assistance' that is waranted.And if changes are to be made it will take 'strength in numbers' from the people. There is only one thing a Politician is afraid of more than telling the truth,and that is being voted out and losing their outrageous salaries,perks,rorts and comfy excessively rich taxpayer funded lifestyle. When the 'people' pull together en mass and raise a noise they have no choice but to listen and adapt as they now start to fear a voter backlash and they fear the loss of their gravy train. In theory it is quite simple, but it takes people, lots of people and lots of noise.
...how many other signs of economic decline are those 100 towns displaying? How many public phones are in that town compared to 10 years ago? How many small businesses? How many hours to the nearest major center? Has the population grown,declined or remained static?
and thee would be hundreds of other country towns in decline as well.
Their Post Offices have probably closed,they have visiting banks,etc.
Their Post Offices have probably closed,they have visiting banks,etc.
However,as Aviation people,we cant fix all of the above mentioned issues within Australia, but we can and should 'throw out some noise' about Aviation issues specifically,because that's our field of expertise, not to say they we cant fight for the protection of other industry and services within our country.
GA has never recieved the level of 'assistance' that is waranted.And if changes are to be made it will take 'strength in numbers' from the people. There is only one thing a Politician is afraid of more than telling the truth,and that is being voted out and losing their outrageous salaries,perks,rorts and comfy excessively rich taxpayer funded lifestyle. When the 'people' pull together en mass and raise a noise they have no choice but to listen and adapt as they now start to fear a voter backlash and they fear the loss of their gravy train. In theory it is quite simple, but it takes people, lots of people and lots of noise.
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Sums it up pretty nicely.
PS. How much has changed since 2003, when this paper was submitted?
Sums it up pretty nicely.
PS. How much has changed since 2003, when this paper was submitted?
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Absolutely OZBUSDRIVER.
This is a well written overview of the decline's we have all mentioned and acknowledged in our industry.
The best thing I like about these sort of documents,and one's like the 'The White Paper' is all the spin and deflection,waffle,history explained, thousands of printed words telling us what we already know but basically providing no action points,no solutions,no promises,no commitments,no direction,no nothing..A total waste of funds and acompletely empty and worthless report only worthy of wiping one's a#s upon.
This is a well written overview of the decline's we have all mentioned and acknowledged in our industry.
The best thing I like about these sort of documents,and one's like the 'The White Paper' is all the spin and deflection,waffle,history explained, thousands of printed words telling us what we already know but basically providing no action points,no solutions,no promises,no commitments,no direction,no nothing..A total waste of funds and acompletely empty and worthless report only worthy of wiping one's a#s upon.
I liked one argument
Yes, that is correct, However, of what percentage did Greyhound or Maccafferties contribute to the national road network to actually be able to provide a sevice to drop a passenger off? And to what amount of money did said council actually expend in actually providing that infrastructure of a complete aerodrome? Bit of a croc to hand over a fully viable airport to a council and then have them try to turn it into a toll booth
If a Greyhound or a McCafferty’s bus drops a passenger in a small
regional town, the local council is not expecting to pick up a $12
passenger head tax—there would be a huge outcry over that. But if
a local operator drops a passenger off in his Piper Chieftain, the
local council has its hand out.83
2.91 However, the committee notes the weakness in this argument. A bus drop off point does not commit a council to the same level of infrastructure as
does an airport
regional town, the local council is not expecting to pick up a $12
passenger head tax—there would be a huge outcry over that. But if
a local operator drops a passenger off in his Piper Chieftain, the
local council has its hand out.83
2.91 However, the committee notes the weakness in this argument. A bus drop off point does not commit a council to the same level of infrastructure as
does an airport
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It's a grim situation by the sounds of it! It looks like in a few years there will be very little general aviation left.
Perhaps the collective wisdom of pprune can come up with a prediction of where we'll be in say 5 or 10 years time?
I think it might be an idea for another thread...
Perhaps the collective wisdom of pprune can come up with a prediction of where we'll be in say 5 or 10 years time?
I think it might be an idea for another thread...
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GA in Oz has always been a disaster. Remember when I first visited Archerfield in 1970, fresh out of the UK, I commented to the manager of the AWA avionics facility about the number of light aircraft around and how busy it must be. He replied "non of them ever fly, it's just a large parking lot". A common comment back then was that Australia's superb aviation safety record came about by DCA banning all flying. If no one flies no one dies.
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alisoncc, you are very correct, some good memories my friend.
These days Archerfield is no longer a parking lot, plenty of GA action, but the ground space surrounding the aerodrome has been rapidly swallowed up by businesses to the point where the airfield is in danger of being choked.Its been a very interesting transition. However the place holds a lot of fond memories for many in the industry.
Cheers
These days Archerfield is no longer a parking lot, plenty of GA action, but the ground space surrounding the aerodrome has been rapidly swallowed up by businesses to the point where the airfield is in danger of being choked.Its been a very interesting transition. However the place holds a lot of fond memories for many in the industry.
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It says it all on page 62 of the Aviation White Paper.
(available @ A National Aviation Policy Statement - the Aviation White Paper )
POLICY GOAL
The maintenance of a safe, efficient and innovative general aviation sector that continues to
provide essential air transport services and remains a key part Australia’s broader aviation industry.
No where above does it say Grow, Expand, Advance
It Says.
Safe (we all want that)
Efficient (that's Political Speak for cheap)
Innovative (that Political speak for how they can make it cheap)
and then it goes on about how it can work in with the other parts of Australia's aviation industry (that's the bit that matters to them)
So According to the white paper GA should be cheap for the county to run and not get in the way yet feed into other Aviation within the country. This is like being in a relationship and the girl saying honey we need to talk.
Governments only listen when you make them listen currently there are only 3 ways to do that. Vote's, Media, and Industrial Action. We don't hold enough votes to make them listen that way. The only way to engage the media is with scare tactics. That leaves the latter... Pity the minister gets flown around by the airforce who cant refuse an order to take them where they want to go.
It would be nice to make one of them catch a 1000km 4WD trip back from some remote diamond mine on their next photo Op.
(available @ A National Aviation Policy Statement - the Aviation White Paper )
POLICY GOAL
The maintenance of a safe, efficient and innovative general aviation sector that continues to
provide essential air transport services and remains a key part Australia’s broader aviation industry.
No where above does it say Grow, Expand, Advance
It Says.
Safe (we all want that)
Efficient (that's Political Speak for cheap)
Innovative (that Political speak for how they can make it cheap)
and then it goes on about how it can work in with the other parts of Australia's aviation industry (that's the bit that matters to them)
So According to the white paper GA should be cheap for the county to run and not get in the way yet feed into other Aviation within the country. This is like being in a relationship and the girl saying honey we need to talk.
Governments only listen when you make them listen currently there are only 3 ways to do that. Vote's, Media, and Industrial Action. We don't hold enough votes to make them listen that way. The only way to engage the media is with scare tactics. That leaves the latter... Pity the minister gets flown around by the airforce who cant refuse an order to take them where they want to go.
It would be nice to make one of them catch a 1000km 4WD trip back from some remote diamond mine on their next photo Op.
GA in Oz has always been a disaster. Remember when I first visited Archerfield in 1970, fresh out of the UK, I commented to the manager of the AWA avionics facility about the number of light aircraft around and how busy it must be. He replied "non of them ever fly, it's just a large parking lot". A common comment back then was that Australia's superb aviation safety record came about by DCA banning all flying. If no one flies no one dies.
The one you describe bears no resemblance to the Archerfield at which I learned to fly in 1973.
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