What's the most used parachute drop aircraft in Australia?
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What's the most used parachute drop aircraft in Australia?
I went to a para drop place on the weekend who ran a c206 and after talking with the owners I found it's a waste of time introducing yourself for a job when you don't have a rating on the aircraft the operation uses.
I plan on getting a rating on a widely used drop aircraft but I need to figure out what that aircraft is.
I've been doing a bit of research on a few drop places but can't seem to come up with any answers.
Would any pilots in auzzie know of the most used aircraft for para dropping/charter work?
Also what do you all think about asking for a job at an operation when you don't have the rating for the aircraft in use?
Should pilots go out themselves and get the rating? or should that operator assist to give the pilot the rating?
Any help's greatly appreciated!
I plan on getting a rating on a widely used drop aircraft but I need to figure out what that aircraft is.
I've been doing a bit of research on a few drop places but can't seem to come up with any answers.
Would any pilots in auzzie know of the most used aircraft for para dropping/charter work?
Also what do you all think about asking for a job at an operation when you don't have the rating for the aircraft in use?
Should pilots go out themselves and get the rating? or should that operator assist to give the pilot the rating?
Any help's greatly appreciated!
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In Australia you do not need a "rating" to fly a C206. Are you talking ME rating or aircraft type experience?
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In Australia you do not need a "rating" to fly a C206. Are you talking ME rating or aircraft type experience?
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A type rating in NZ on a 206/182 or any similar single is pretty straightforward. As long as you can drive a Cessna you shouldnt have too much trouble getting the rating. You only have to do 1 hour.
If you were looking to do flying in Aussie, as Tailwheel says, they dont have individual a/c ratings here, Its single engine, Constant speed, tail dragger, and retrac endorsements and you're away laughing.
If you were looking to do flying in Aussie, as Tailwheel says, they dont have individual a/c ratings here, Its single engine, Constant speed, tail dragger, and retrac endorsements and you're away laughing.
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G'day Dabz,
From memory there is a 10 hours on type requirement from the Australian Parachute Federation (APF) plus the operators insurance company may require more hours on type.
If you don't have many hours, I'd try get a few hours on C182, C206 or if you are cashed up a C208 endorsement? The 206 and 208 were also fairly widely used in charter ops up northern Australia last I looked.
Plus there is no parachute rating in OZ- I believe NZ does something along those lines?
Its been 5 years plus since I hung around drop zones so someone else might like to confirm these details.
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From memory there is a 10 hours on type requirement from the Australian Parachute Federation (APF) plus the operators insurance company may require more hours on type.
If you don't have many hours, I'd try get a few hours on C182, C206 or if you are cashed up a C208 endorsement? The 206 and 208 were also fairly widely used in charter ops up northern Australia last I looked.
Plus there is no parachute rating in OZ- I believe NZ does something along those lines?
Its been 5 years plus since I hung around drop zones so someone else might like to confirm these details.
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From http://www.apf.asn.au/documents/pdf/..._Manual_05.pdf
The Op regs are being rewritten but not this part I think.
3.7. PILOT QUALIFICATIONS
3.7..1 An APF member must not make a parachute descent unless the descent is conducted from
an aircraft in which the pilot in command:
(a) is the holder of at least a private pilot licence, valid for that type of aircraft, which is
not endorsed with any condition limiting him or her to flying within a specified
distance from an aerodrome; and
(b) if the pilot in command is the holder of a parachutist certificate “D” or higher — he or
she has not less than 120 hours total aeronautical experience, of which not less than 70
hours must be as pilot in command; and
(c) if the pilot in command is not the holder of a parachutist certificate “D” or higher — he
or she has not less than 200 hours total aeronautical experience, of which not less than
100 hours must be as pilot in command or is the holder of at least a commercial pilot
licence valid for that type of aircraft; and
(d) has not less than 10 hours aeronautical experience as pilot in command of the aircraft
type from which the descent is made. For high-wing Cessna aeroplanes, time accrued
on the more complex types may be credited for the less complex types in accordance
with Appendix 3 (of this manual); and
(e) if the descent is made from a balloon — is the holder of at least a commercial pilot
(balloon) licence or a Private Pilot (Balloon) Certificate issued by the Australian
Ballooning Federation, and has not less than 75 hours aeronautical experience as pilot
in command of balloons.
The Op regs are being rewritten but not this part I think.
3.7. PILOT QUALIFICATIONS
3.7..1 An APF member must not make a parachute descent unless the descent is conducted from
an aircraft in which the pilot in command:
(a) is the holder of at least a private pilot licence, valid for that type of aircraft, which is
not endorsed with any condition limiting him or her to flying within a specified
distance from an aerodrome; and
(b) if the pilot in command is the holder of a parachutist certificate “D” or higher — he or
she has not less than 120 hours total aeronautical experience, of which not less than 70
hours must be as pilot in command; and
(c) if the pilot in command is not the holder of a parachutist certificate “D” or higher — he
or she has not less than 200 hours total aeronautical experience, of which not less than
100 hours must be as pilot in command or is the holder of at least a commercial pilot
licence valid for that type of aircraft; and
(d) has not less than 10 hours aeronautical experience as pilot in command of the aircraft
type from which the descent is made. For high-wing Cessna aeroplanes, time accrued
on the more complex types may be credited for the less complex types in accordance
with Appendix 3 (of this manual); and
(e) if the descent is made from a balloon — is the holder of at least a commercial pilot
(balloon) licence or a Private Pilot (Balloon) Certificate issued by the Australian
Ballooning Federation, and has not less than 75 hours aeronautical experience as pilot
in command of balloons.
Also what do you all think about asking for a job at an operation when you don't have the rating for the aircraft in use?
Should pilots go out themselves and get the rating? or should that operator assist to give the pilot the rating?
Should pilots go out themselves and get the rating? or should that operator assist to give the pilot the rating?
However, if you have the money and are willing to go through all the 'fun' experiences a DZ pilot has to (sleeping in caravans in winter with no heating, getting abused by fun jumpers, slashing the strip in between loads, doing the 50 and 100 hrlys on your days off etc) then by all means go out to Toogoolawah and get yourself a van rating. Don't say you weren't warned though...
No offence though dabz, but I have friends here who have close to 500 hours jump trucking in 206's and 208's and they can't get work. You're chances are going to be even slimmer...and please for god's sake don't work for nothing. It doesn't have to be award, as long as it's something...
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It doesn't have to be award, as long as it's something...
I'm with Howard...
if DOES have to be the award. At the minimum. That's what the award means.
Shell doesn't give them free avgas, Cessna/Lycoming doesn't give them free parts, why would you give them free pilotage?
if DOES have to be the award. At the minimum. That's what the award means.
Shell doesn't give them free avgas, Cessna/Lycoming doesn't give them free parts, why would you give them free pilotage?
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I'm pretty sure we've been down this track in another thread (payment of skydivers).
For what it's worth guys, I've done meat bombing and yes I was payed. Not much, and not the award. But it wasn't free, wasn't a full time commercial operation and I was better paid than most meat bombing pilots on the east coast at the time from the conversations I had with those pilots.
That was many years ago now but.
For what it's worth guys, I've done meat bombing and yes I was payed. Not much, and not the award. But it wasn't free, wasn't a full time commercial operation and I was better paid than most meat bombing pilots on the east coast at the time from the conversations I had with those pilots.
That was many years ago now but.
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There is also talk of the APF introducing a parachute drop rating for pilots in the future however I'll believe it when I see it.
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...09/casa405.pdf
Also Struggler, in oz the simplest way to cover the 10 hour requirement is use a
C210, as most DZ's will accept time on a more complicated machine to cover the
simpler types, in other words 10hrs 210 will cover the 206 & 182 and it'll also
come in handy to have the 10hrs 210 if you end up going north for that first
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If you do the 206 or 182 rating in NZ, it is much more valuable for you in Oz, as no DZ is going to train you from scratch. I have seen someone do a 206 rating and about 5 hours total in it, go to Oz then pick up work straight away (not dropping though - charter work)
Even in NZ no one is going to let you loose in their 206 (especially if it's a turbo) unless you have had an instructor do a TR in it, and you have a drop rating. PM to discuss if you want.
Even in NZ no one is going to let you loose in their 206 (especially if it's a turbo) unless you have had an instructor do a TR in it, and you have a drop rating. PM to discuss if you want.
as of 01/07/10 you'll have to believe it..... jump ratings & class B maintenance
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D-J, perhaps you can tell us what other sort of maintenance you would have on a Jump ship?
run the engine 'on condition'
whilst not a lot of jump ships exceed TBO & can continue 'on condition' without considerable work, but class b charter category will remove that option
Taupo pays good money to its pilots (at least it did a few years ago), all the other drop zones I have worked at in both countries were amateurs in comparison.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Taupo drop operators use a FU-24?
Where do you go for a rating on that? must cost an arm and a leg!
and even if you do get a rating on that aircraft the chances of them letting you in on some of the piloting in their operation would be pretty slim?
Where do you go for a rating on that? must cost an arm and a leg!
and even if you do get a rating on that aircraft the chances of them letting you in on some of the piloting in their operation would be pretty slim?
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No piston FU24's being used for dropping anywhere.
There's Turbine Fletchers at Rotorua, Motueka, Pudding Hill, and I think one at Queenstown though
Taupo uses a Cresco (the pink one), and a few XL750's. Similar to a Fletcher, but not quite the same.
There's Turbine Fletchers at Rotorua, Motueka, Pudding Hill, and I think one at Queenstown though
Taupo uses a Cresco (the pink one), and a few XL750's. Similar to a Fletcher, but not quite the same.