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Old 24th May 2010, 09:41
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Does whenuapai aviation sports club operate under part 141 or 61. does anyone know?
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Actually, part 61 and 141 teach to the same standard, its called the CAA Flight standards guide.

Thats what flight testing is measured on.

Part 141 means compliance to a set procedure of training, in accordance with the organisations training manual., /SOP etc.

Audits are a regular feature, to ensure compliance.

Part 141 means lots of box ticking.


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If your also under 141 does that allow you to train CPL's with 150 total hours?
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Old 25th May 2010, 06:47
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Only place in Nz that can classify as an approved training course, therefore allowing you to leave with a CPL after 150 Hrs is Massey
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If your also under 141 does that allow you to train CPL's with 150 total hours?
That's exactly what Part 141 was originally intended for. i.e. If you wanted to do pilot training to a syllabus that was different to Part 61, (e.g. less hours than part 61) you put together a training syllabus, (theory and practical), and demonstrate that you could meet the legislated standards with your course you could then go and train to your syllabus.

As far as I know Massey was the only place to do this.

CAA have hijacked the Part 141 system to created paper work and generate more auditing for them and more cost to the industry, all the while still using the Part 61 syllabus. All in the interest of improving flight training standards you understand.

Operation under Part 141 is basically operation to ISO 9000 principles. i.e. manuals and checklists. The ISO 9000 systems really only guarantee one thing, a consistent standard. A consistently bad product, a consistently good product or a consistenly average product. It will not necessarily improve standards.
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Nelson Aviation College did (do) a 150 hr CPL. Most of the bigger schools do. Don't forget, it's not just GA that have to deal with Part 141. Air NZ, Airwork, Chat's,Jetconnect, , ASL etc, etc all have 141 cert's that require regular CAA audits.
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Don't forget, it's not just GA that have to deal with Part 141.
I think you missed my point. All the operators you mention are doing training/checking not covered under Part 61, therefore the need for a Part 141 certificate.

CAA are introducing a system where training organisations will need a Part 141 certificate to do Part 61 training. This was never the original intention of Part 141. Once certificated under Part 141, they will still be training to the Part 61 syllabus but with the added cost and paper work of Part 141, but with no extra benefits from the current situation.

Hence my comment about Part 141 being hijacked.
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All the operators you mention are doing training/checking not covered under Part 61, therefore the need for a Part 141 certificate.
Not correct, a part 121 or part 125 operation does not require a part 141 to train pilots its employees. Part 121 and 125 all have training provisions embeded.

The reason to have a part 141 is to be able to sell training externally
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Old 2nd Jun 2010, 07:59
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Just finishing up my last year of secondary school, and have been looking at flying academies in NZ. Looking at a Diploma in Aviation Science ( Instructor Rating) which gives me my full PPL, CPL, IFR and Instructor rating with 4 additional business papers (hoping to complete a commerce degree as well).
Just wandering what peoples experiences are with flight schools in NZ also any recommendations. I am lucky enough to once I have finished my degree/diploma, my student loan will be paid off.
Just seeing what experience people have had with any of the flight schools?
The original post.

Well I have just seen an ad on TV with a bloke standing in a PAC BLU jacket, in front of a B737 800 announcing to all and sundry that he is a captain with said airline, that he spends his day in the sun (as he plays with an overhead switch) and that you should go training with either CTC or Southair or something (I didn't quite catch the south school name) so there ya go, would seem that they are the 2 picks!!!!!!!!!
 
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Old 3rd Jun 2010, 02:19
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the guy in the advert did his diploma in aviation course at southern institute of technology.
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Old 3rd Jun 2010, 04:55
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Yeah true, but he didn't have a hat.
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He must have started the course when he was pretty old though. He definatly isnt fresh out of school.
Shows that the school is not discrimatory either!
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havent seen the add but got a fair idea who it is, pretty sure he moved from swings (sit) to stewart island frights to one of the small air NZ airlines.
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one of the small air NZ airlines
wouldn't have thought that PAC BLU small
 
Old 4th Jun 2010, 22:42
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he was one of the youngest captains in NZ, and he did fly for iniatally for Stewart Island Frights
Trained at Southern Wings
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People please can you'll guide me . i have chosen Flight training Manawatu for CPL training in New Zealand. Can you'l please tell me is it good o no ?. and also i want to know which bank provides loans for international students in new zealand . pls do reply
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 06:39
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Good training organisation from what I know.

I'd be very, very surprised if any bank lent money to non-permanent residents, you'd want to check your source of funding prior to committing to coming to NZ.

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Old 30th Oct 2011, 17:26
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Flight training Manawatuseem to have stood the test of time and are still are very busy training organization from what I have seen.
Talking to students they don't have too many problems and get through their courses quickly
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anyone down dunedin way know the best place for hiring AC? looking for a 172 just for some x countries and local flights. also anyone that would be interested in doing some flying together?
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