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747, hiring isn't far off and this will create a position for you and others. Just have a look at the recent increase in adverts on the afap job site.
Airlines have contracted yes during this difficult time. The question now is which one is going to put their balls on the line first and get the pick of the experienced jet and t-prop guys that are in the holding pattern.
Its just around the corner.
Airlines have contracted yes during this difficult time. The question now is which one is going to put their balls on the line first and get the pick of the experienced jet and t-prop guys that are in the holding pattern.
Its just around the corner.
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Mr Hat is right 747, in the last month or two AFAP has been looking much healthier than months in the past. Most (not all) of the adverts I have noticed are for the guys with more experience however this surely will have its effect lower down in the sector.
Just a matter of time! Stay positive mate and all the best.
Just a matter of time! Stay positive mate and all the best.
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Hey guys,
With the industry the way it is, what chances would you give a NZ pilot looking to relocate anywhere west of the Tasman with circa 330 TT, MECIR, BGT, C-cat instructors rating (Grade 3), University degree (in aviation) and heaps of motivation?
Any replies appreciated.
With the industry the way it is, what chances would you give a NZ pilot looking to relocate anywhere west of the Tasman with circa 330 TT, MECIR, BGT, C-cat instructors rating (Grade 3), University degree (in aviation) and heaps of motivation?
Any replies appreciated.
Hey guys,
With the industry the way it is, what chances would you give a NZ pilot looking to relocate anywhere west of the Tasman with circa 330 TT, MECIR, BGT, C-cat instructors rating (Grade 3), University degree (in aviation) and heaps of motivation?
Any replies appreciated.
With the industry the way it is, what chances would you give a NZ pilot looking to relocate anywhere west of the Tasman with circa 330 TT, MECIR, BGT, C-cat instructors rating (Grade 3), University degree (in aviation) and heaps of motivation?
Any replies appreciated.
We'll do you a trade - we'll take you if we can send a few of our boys over there for government funded training
All in seriousness though you have just as much chance as anyone. Convert your licence move to the Hilton at Kunus (AKA the backpackers hostel) behave yourself and hopefully (fingers crossed) you will get that lucky break.
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I think you'd be looking pretty good as long as the 330 hours comes with good presentation and a keen attitude.
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I was more concerned on their people handling skills, common sense and ATTITUDE.
Try to put yourself in an employers shoes. The above attributes rate very highly. An employer only has a very small window of opportunity to establish whether or not you have these qualities. So make every personal contact count.
That is why networking and building solid friendships is so important. There will come a time when your future progression may be in the hands of a mate. He or she will be promoting you to their boss for an upcoming position. Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth". It's also a handy method for keeping d!ckheads out of the industry, but unfortunately it doesn't always work.
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Towering Q, very well said. On all points. Anyone can fly really, but not all have commitment.
But please don't get me started on the dickheads in the industry with poor attitudes. That needs a whole new thread. Lol.
But please don't get me started on the dickheads in the industry with poor attitudes. That needs a whole new thread. Lol.
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You've got more chance of catching swine flu from a sheep
A good mate of mine couldnt find any work here in NZ with a new CPL and C-cat so went to aussie to have a look. landed a flying job within 2 weeks. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Im not trying to rub anyones nose in it. Most of the time it comes down to timing and luck. Stick at it.
The good c#nts always get through, sooner or later.
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Well done
Well done B747. You're on a journey and you've made a good start even though it may not seem that way right now. The most important is to hang in there and Attitude - PA39s advice is golden and old(er) guys like us know it to be true.
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hey there, don't just stick to what you have heard. If instructing to build up time isn't for you then think outside the box and go where the job is. But where is that job you ask ?..... ever thought of our neighbours in SEA? that's where i got my first twin job flying a baron then got into turbo-props after 6 mths ( TwOtter then Dornier ) while part-timing as a ground instructor. Only thing is, be prepared to fly like these guys in Air America. I wont even go thru the details of this nightmare. There are places sometimes that you cannot apply what you have learned and sometimes they break safety rules... but not me, I stuck with my guns and lived to fly another day. But don't whinge if it gets tough on finances sometimes and all you eat are noodles for days on end. But I loved the place.
Also, there was an ad a couple of mths ago by an Aussie chief flight instructor looking for instructors in Indo. don't know if he ever got one from Oz as i noticed it in AFAP.
Another place is Africa. Not the best place but they need pilots ( to fly diamonds and guns
) . I even know of a guy who only has 300 hrs and got into a DC3 right seat flying VFR from Pemba in Mozambique to anywhere where you "shoo" away goats, geese, dogs and people riding bicycles on the runway with your prop blast. I think he ran over a few chickens on a dirt strip once. ..... or crabs gotten loose on the cargo bay and starting biting his fingers while flying.
bottomline is --you have to leave Oz if you think the demand has dried up and it looks like that. Another grade 3 instructor (800 hrs) got into a job flying right seat in a Caribou and ferried the thing with another guy half-way across the world. Now, he is in Cathay flying Cat 3C approaches.
I hope you get the picture... good luck bud. The world is so big for you to say that you can't find a flying job. There are also jobs in Fiji i know flying BN Islanders. all they need is for you to have the endorsement. only thing is, the night life sucks !!!
Also, there was an ad a couple of mths ago by an Aussie chief flight instructor looking for instructors in Indo. don't know if he ever got one from Oz as i noticed it in AFAP.
Another place is Africa. Not the best place but they need pilots ( to fly diamonds and guns
) . I even know of a guy who only has 300 hrs and got into a DC3 right seat flying VFR from Pemba in Mozambique to anywhere where you "shoo" away goats, geese, dogs and people riding bicycles on the runway with your prop blast. I think he ran over a few chickens on a dirt strip once. ..... or crabs gotten loose on the cargo bay and starting biting his fingers while flying. bottomline is --you have to leave Oz if you think the demand has dried up and it looks like that. Another grade 3 instructor (800 hrs) got into a job flying right seat in a Caribou and ferried the thing with another guy half-way across the world. Now, he is in Cathay flying Cat 3C approaches.
I hope you get the picture... good luck bud. The world is so big for you to say that you can't find a flying job. There are also jobs in Fiji i know flying BN Islanders. all they need is for you to have the endorsement. only thing is, the night life sucks !!!
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Delta Six,
Pretty good advice and I would agree that there are possibilities out side OZ but very few right now. I used to fly in Africa bit I know there is no hiring going on this year for instance.
This is a global recession and it has made its self felt in most of the far off places you mention. But that is not to say in a few months or years thing maybe a lot better. To be honest I have flown up North for a couple of years in the past and it was pretty good but it had nothing on my time in Africa in terms of gaining experience and being exposed to unusual situations and not to forget seeing an amazing continent.
But what ever you get as a flying job remember to enjoy it and not wish it away for the next job.
Pretty good advice and I would agree that there are possibilities out side OZ but very few right now. I used to fly in Africa bit I know there is no hiring going on this year for instance.
This is a global recession and it has made its self felt in most of the far off places you mention. But that is not to say in a few months or years thing maybe a lot better. To be honest I have flown up North for a couple of years in the past and it was pretty good but it had nothing on my time in Africa in terms of gaining experience and being exposed to unusual situations and not to forget seeing an amazing continent.
But what ever you get as a flying job remember to enjoy it and not wish it away for the next job.
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Delta Six,
Thanks for that mate, excellent to hear.
Reminds me of something my instructor told me: "Ride a mule while looking for a horse, son" - I'm still looking for a mule!! Will have a look at SE asian operators though, never really considered it until now but I guess beggars can't be choosers!
Thanks for that mate, excellent to hear.
Reminds me of something my instructor told me: "Ride a mule while looking for a horse, son" - I'm still looking for a mule!! Will have a look at SE asian operators though, never really considered it until now but I guess beggars can't be choosers!
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Hi Bla bla bla, you're absolutely right. The African local operators are a bit quiet on the job front but the reason why i said it is because I've heard of a few U.S. operators with aircraft fleets ( Westwind, DC3, etc. ) flying in and out of Central Africa from Mozambique and were hiring in Jan 09 for transport pilots. They were even using Russian cargo planes. ( An2, Yak42, etc.) for some reason. Anyway, I actually saw an ad of theirs in Asia looking for pilots to train. Pay's a bit ordinary though but for low timers this is an excellent way of moving up.
My other advise is, don't be picky with the aeroplanes you fly.... yes it is more nicer and you maybe even more marketable if you get to fly US or UK planes but don't discount the others ( Antonovs, Yaks, Let410s ) as not a lot of people want to fly them thus the demand for crews. You will have a lot of competition on something like the Twotters, Dorniers, King airs, Pipers, beechcrafts, BAe, ATRs and therefore would be tough getting a gig on it. Just something to think about as a strategy to build up time.
There are Czech made Let410s in Manila that are being used for short island hops for instance and there were vacancies for 3 sets of crew (per aircraft) that got filled up quickly. The original crews all got hired to fly ATRs and A320s by a newly acquired airline. These L410s have STOL capability thus good on short strips.
So, don't be picky. You will even encounter aeroplanes that have an incomplete instrument panels. But that didn't stop me.
Hope this helps.
My other advise is, don't be picky with the aeroplanes you fly.... yes it is more nicer and you maybe even more marketable if you get to fly US or UK planes but don't discount the others ( Antonovs, Yaks, Let410s ) as not a lot of people want to fly them thus the demand for crews. You will have a lot of competition on something like the Twotters, Dorniers, King airs, Pipers, beechcrafts, BAe, ATRs and therefore would be tough getting a gig on it. Just something to think about as a strategy to build up time.
There are Czech made Let410s in Manila that are being used for short island hops for instance and there were vacancies for 3 sets of crew (per aircraft) that got filled up quickly. The original crews all got hired to fly ATRs and A320s by a newly acquired airline. These L410s have STOL capability thus good on short strips.
So, don't be picky. You will even encounter aeroplanes that have an incomplete instrument panels. But that didn't stop me.
Hope this helps.
