Campaign to Stop Stupid Calls on 121.5
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It always ****s me how quickly the "guard police" spring into action and pounce onto the poor sod who may have ...heaven forbid..transmitted accidently on 121.5. Sure ..if they repeat the error a few times , then MAYBE a polite pointer in the right direction ...but there seems to be no shortage of 121.5 do gooders just itching to put things right!!!, just so they can get home to the wifey and brag " hey there was someone who transmitted accidently on 121.5..BUT DONT WORRY !!! I SORTED HIM OUT!!!
the best response i have heard to a "YOURE ON GAURD!!! advisory was ..."SO ARE YOU!!"
the best response i have heard to a "YOURE ON GAURD!!! advisory was ..."SO ARE YOU!!"
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Nunc est bibendum
Strewth we can be precious about all of this.
If I accidentally transmit on guard then I hope someone gives me a quick heads up so that I can change frequencies straight away. I'd much prefer this than wasting a minute listening out, re-transmitting and doing this two or three times before someone lets me know. It's not that friggin complex is it? It's not that big a deal for someone to tell me after the first time is it?
To be blunt, those that get express dismay about the 'guard police' are just as big a dills as those who say 'go ahead' to the original transmission.
Cut out the idle chit chat by all means but let's not make this more complex than it has to be. If someone's got it wrong, 'someone else' will tell them. Given that none of us have any idea of who else is listening in the odds are there will be a few people telling the bloke/blokette that they're on the wrong frequency.
I obviously haven't been flying enough recently because I'm buggered if I can see what all the angst is about! Just chillax! (I hope I used angst in the right context or a certain Qrewroomer is going to be on to me!
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If I accidentally transmit on guard then I hope someone gives me a quick heads up so that I can change frequencies straight away. I'd much prefer this than wasting a minute listening out, re-transmitting and doing this two or three times before someone lets me know. It's not that friggin complex is it? It's not that big a deal for someone to tell me after the first time is it?
To be blunt, those that get express dismay about the 'guard police' are just as big a dills as those who say 'go ahead' to the original transmission.
Cut out the idle chit chat by all means but let's not make this more complex than it has to be. If someone's got it wrong, 'someone else' will tell them. Given that none of us have any idea of who else is listening in the odds are there will be a few people telling the bloke/blokette that they're on the wrong frequency.
I obviously haven't been flying enough recently because I'm buggered if I can see what all the angst is about! Just chillax! (I hope I used angst in the right context or a certain Qrewroomer is going to be on to me!
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Keg,
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have someone remind you when you've had a bit of finger trouble and transmitted on the wrong frequency (god knows how many times I've done it), but if you'd have heard the carrying on that happened the other day you would see why this thread was started. The pilot clearly stated that he was 'on guard' and was making a check call to Amberly Ground. This was then proceeded by every man and his dog telling the poor bloke he was 'on guard', and he couldn't get a word in edgeways. Not very professional at all by those involved, and very frustrating for the pilot concerned and Amberly Ground.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have someone remind you when you've had a bit of finger trouble and transmitted on the wrong frequency (god knows how many times I've done it), but if you'd have heard the carrying on that happened the other day you would see why this thread was started. The pilot clearly stated that he was 'on guard' and was making a check call to Amberly Ground. This was then proceeded by every man and his dog telling the poor bloke he was 'on guard', and he couldn't get a word in edgeways. Not very professional at all by those involved, and very frustrating for the pilot concerned and Amberly Ground.
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Have to disagree with you Keg. 
We all know that the combination of fatigue and talking to centre, the pax, the cabincrew , company and the person sitting next to you, you are always going to slip up at least once in your career. I know every time i transmit and get no response the very first thing I check is the comms, before i repeat the call.
I dont need everyone , acting like contestants on sale of the century racing to be the first guard hero, to the save the day.
We all know that the combination of fatigue and talking to centre, the pax, the cabincrew , company and the person sitting next to you, you are always going to slip up at least once in your career. I know every time i transmit and get no response the very first thing I check is the comms, before i repeat the call.
I dont need everyone , acting like contestants on sale of the century racing to be the first guard hero, to the save the day.
Nunc est bibendum
Sure Mav. I get the original intent of the thread. There is indeed quite a lot of carry on WRT guard. So are we agreed on these principles.
1. Check freq before transmitting.
2. If you stuffed up point 1 then it's acceptable for someone else (and probably multiple people at the same time given that no one knows who else is around) to let you know.
3. Those who say 'go ahead' to the company call on guard should be summarily shot.
No need to get agro at the 'guard police' enacting point 2 as nohumbug and a couple of others suggest.
Bloggs, couldn't agree more. If it's the bloke or blokette beside me then it's me getting cranky at them (short fuse now that I'm old!).
Anyway, slow news day obviously!
1. Check freq before transmitting.
2. If you stuffed up point 1 then it's acceptable for someone else (and probably multiple people at the same time given that no one knows who else is around) to let you know.
3. Those who say 'go ahead' to the company call on guard should be summarily shot.
No need to get agro at the 'guard police' enacting point 2 as nohumbug and a couple of others suggest.
Bloggs, couldn't agree more. If it's the bloke or blokette beside me then it's me getting cranky at them (short fuse now that I'm old!).
Anyway, slow news day obviously!
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Oh please.
Get a life. A little bit of humour to break up a mostly boring day, well who cares.
I have been busted by the guard police, did it today, had a laugh, moved on. Did planes crash? No. Earth stop spinning? No. Everyone have a laugh at my expense? Yep. As did I.
More important things to talk about. Rostering, T&C, Jump Seat blah blah blah
Get a life. A little bit of humour to break up a mostly boring day, well who cares.
I have been busted by the guard police, did it today, had a laugh, moved on. Did planes crash? No. Earth stop spinning? No. Everyone have a laugh at my expense? Yep. As did I.
More important things to talk about. Rostering, T&C, Jump Seat blah blah blah
I must say I too got busted on guard today, was beautifully annunciated, only for someone to come back and say "....aaaaaaand you're on guard" A polite, "......awwww thanks" and I was on my way. Partly due to chatting to mates on numbers then switching back to 121.5 without transferring tx to the other comm. No biggie.
Long Live the guard police
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Long Live the guard police
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Moderators,
Perhaps this thread could be (re)-named 'Campaign to Stop Stupid Threads'?
As Go West's correctly identified:
So mods, can we perhaps get some bloody PERSPECTIVE for Chrissakes (please???), and stop wasting PPRuNe bandwith with totally trivial and meaningless BULL**** threads like this?
Request close this thread!
Perhaps this thread could be (re)-named 'Campaign to Stop Stupid Threads'?
As Go West's correctly identified:
[There's] More important things to talk about... blah blah blah
Request close this thread!
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If this is a stupid thread then why have we had so many responses.
I hate idle chit chat on guard; use numbers or 128.95/126.35, or as NJS does have a private wally frequency.
I hate idle chit chat on guard; use numbers or 128.95/126.35, or as NJS does have a private wally frequency.
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I hven't been to PPRuNe or back to Oz fora few years, but prior to leaving, QF pilots used 121.5 as their own chat frequency, and continued chatting about aptterns, pay, layovers, etc., even when told of their intentional error.
I suppose if you're a God of the Sky, then that's acceptable, and I'm not envious of Qf pilots, believe me..
I suppose if you're a God of the Sky, then that's acceptable, and I'm not envious of Qf pilots, believe me..
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guard is not 121.5
On a MIL comm set, a function allows a second freq to be monitored (RECEIVE ONLY) in addition to the active transmit/receive frequency. This function is called Guard. You can guard any frequency you want to besides just 121.5 - eg company or a VOLMET or ATIS freq.
They call it guard for obvious reasons because it's usually left on 121.5/243.
Guard is not the name of 121.5 or any other frequency despite the prodigious use of the term by civvy pilots. The same people who aren't disciplined enough to resist the temptation to repeat "You're on guard" ad nauseum because they think it's funny appear to be the same ones who are clueless about the term "guard" itself.
If some people need a good reason to keep their traps shut on 121.5 or why this is a good subject, they can keep in mind the tower will transmit direct to an aircraft on this 121.5 during a loss of comm as will APP and other ATS agencies.
A lot of pros keep 121.5 selected on COMM 2/R for this reason and really grind their teeth when listening to idiots kicking off as they're on final.
They call it guard for obvious reasons because it's usually left on 121.5/243.
Guard is not the name of 121.5 or any other frequency despite the prodigious use of the term by civvy pilots. The same people who aren't disciplined enough to resist the temptation to repeat "You're on guard" ad nauseum because they think it's funny appear to be the same ones who are clueless about the term "guard" itself.
If some people need a good reason to keep their traps shut on 121.5 or why this is a good subject, they can keep in mind the tower will transmit direct to an aircraft on this 121.5 during a loss of comm as will APP and other ATS agencies.
A lot of pros keep 121.5 selected on COMM 2/R for this reason and really grind their teeth when listening to idiots kicking off as they're on final.
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YoDawg, thanks for putting the non military pilots right on their stupid habit of saying "You're on guard". They obviously didn't know or understand.
And blowngasket, I knew there was a reason I dropped off Prune a while back, and it's tossers like you.
And blowngasket, I knew there was a reason I dropped off Prune a while back, and it's tossers like you.
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NOHUMBUG has hit the nail right on the head, I swear there are people out there with their fingers permanently glued to the button just waiting to call "ON GUARD" my guess "CADETS"
