New questions for ADF Pilot testing
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New questions for ADF Pilot testing
I am soon to do my pilot spec testing and I have read many threads with great advice on the subject and I count my lucky stars I found this forum. However I have a few more questions I could not find answers to.
What are people's opinions on PATS Aircrew Aptitude training course at a cost of $3000? Has anyone done it or know someone who has? Also any opinions on Stealth Training at a cost of $600?
How important are school results? I am currently doing the TAFE TPC (Tertiary Preparation Certificate), which is a HSC equivalent course. I am wondering what sort of marks I need, e.g. I received 84% for English but I have the option to repeat the subject before the end of my course, as I believe I can get into the 90's. Or should I just focus on the subjects I have left to complete, like Advanced Maths? So my question is, assuming I pass all my subjects, will my TPC results be a factor in whether I am offered place and if they are what marks are needed or is it just the results from the ADF testing that decide who gets in?
How important is spelling? I am fairly strong with grammar and sentence structure however I am poor when it comes to spelling. I could even be dyslexic (though I have not been tested), would that be a problem?
Thanks for any help you guys can offer.
What are people's opinions on PATS Aircrew Aptitude training course at a cost of $3000? Has anyone done it or know someone who has? Also any opinions on Stealth Training at a cost of $600?
How important are school results? I am currently doing the TAFE TPC (Tertiary Preparation Certificate), which is a HSC equivalent course. I am wondering what sort of marks I need, e.g. I received 84% for English but I have the option to repeat the subject before the end of my course, as I believe I can get into the 90's. Or should I just focus on the subjects I have left to complete, like Advanced Maths? So my question is, assuming I pass all my subjects, will my TPC results be a factor in whether I am offered place and if they are what marks are needed or is it just the results from the ADF testing that decide who gets in?
How important is spelling? I am fairly strong with grammar and sentence structure however I am poor when it comes to spelling. I could even be dyslexic (though I have not been tested), would that be a problem?
Thanks for any help you guys can offer.
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By jove, that Stealth course is terribly important as a pre requisite for employment in the RAAF!!!
You can be Court Marshalled if you lose your aircraft!!!
By jove, that Stealth course is terribly important as a pre requisite for employment in the RAAF!!!
You can be Court Marshalled if you lose your aircraft!!!
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TW- isn't that the new super hornet thingy we've been waiting for....
waiting....
Luca- Bad spelling is more likely a product of a school system that relies heavily on MS Word and spell-check. I've seen some amazing handwritten efforts by people who have allegedly passed high school.
Have a look on the Mil pilots forum for the RAAF Aptitude testing thread. Huge amounts of info on that one.
waiting....
Luca- Bad spelling is more likely a product of a school system that relies heavily on MS Word and spell-check. I've seen some amazing handwritten efforts by people who have allegedly passed high school.
Have a look on the Mil pilots forum for the RAAF Aptitude testing thread. Huge amounts of info on that one.
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"...isn't that the new super hornet thingy we've been waiting for...."
All that secret, stealth stuff you know..........
You say we've been waiting for them? God, don't tell me the Air Force lost them already????
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Thanks for your replies.
Though I'd still love to get some answers to my questions if anyone else is out there who can help me.
Also;
Yes there is lots of great info on the military aviation forum (which is where I tried to post this thread). I created this thread to find answers to questions that I could not find on that forum.
The age limit for RAAF is 27.5, however the Army and Navy do not have official age restrictions. And the RAAF will take people over 27.5 if a certain level is achieved during the testing.
Yes I agree the school system is lacking, however MS Word did not exist when I was at school but thanks for your assumptions.
And i believe that pic is actually of Wonder Woman's Jetplane.
Though I'd still love to get some answers to my questions if anyone else is out there who can help me.
Also;
Yes there is lots of great info on the military aviation forum (which is where I tried to post this thread). I created this thread to find answers to questions that I could not find on that forum.
The age limit for RAAF is 27.5, however the Army and Navy do not have official age restrictions. And the RAAF will take people over 27.5 if a certain level is achieved during the testing.
Yes I agree the school system is lacking, however MS Word did not exist when I was at school but thanks for your assumptions.
And i believe that pic is actually of Wonder Woman's Jetplane.
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The selection process is very competitive. You have to identify your biggest weaknesses and concentrate on those. If you believe spelling is going to hold you back the most, and repeating English will improve that, then go for it. You will be required to write a number of essays throughout the selection process. I believe both those courses are based on finding those weaknesses and ensuring the initial stages of the selection process aren't a complete suprise, ie you've done an aptitude test before doing the RAAF one so know what to expect.
If you think getting 92% instead of 84% will make you look that much better, don't bother - you need to be competitive against other applicants in all areas. At the end of the day if you don't fit the personality profile they're looking for, you won't get too far. If you do meet the personality profile, minor differences in your English score won't affect your chances, your overall score throughout their selection process is what matters (competitiveness is largely based on scores from flight screening and the final selection board interview).
If you think getting 92% instead of 84% will make you look that much better, don't bother - you need to be competitive against other applicants in all areas. At the end of the day if you don't fit the personality profile they're looking for, you won't get too far. If you do meet the personality profile, minor differences in your English score won't affect your chances, your overall score throughout their selection process is what matters (competitiveness is largely based on scores from flight screening and the final selection board interview).
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thanks for your info kalavo. Unfortuatly repeating english wont help my spelling as spelling is not even looked at at TAFE.
Would I be safe in thinking that if I do well in all areas, spelling mistakes wont send me home?
Would I be safe in thinking that if I do well in all areas, spelling mistakes wont send me home?
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Luca,
It's a combination of all facets, but school marks are not as relevant as every one thinks.
For example, good mate of mine scraped through the HSC with a TER of 50 (yes, TER, shwoing my age!), and is one of the most talented RAAF pilots I know - best hands and feet I have seen. He blitzed the aptitude testing, did very well on pilot's course and got what he wanted.
Another mate is Navy, did TAFE after leaving school at 16, got in at 25 and now flying Navy helos.
The aptitude testing is far more weighted than the school marks, from what I have seen.
It's a combination of all facets, but school marks are not as relevant as every one thinks.
For example, good mate of mine scraped through the HSC with a TER of 50 (yes, TER, shwoing my age!), and is one of the most talented RAAF pilots I know - best hands and feet I have seen. He blitzed the aptitude testing, did very well on pilot's course and got what he wanted.
Another mate is Navy, did TAFE after leaving school at 16, got in at 25 and now flying Navy helos.
The aptitude testing is far more weighted than the school marks, from what I have seen.
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You need to have passed english and one subject above the foundation maths subject for your state, advanced maths should be good. Also physics I believe, might be wrong on that one..
My advise:
go and get a console with joysticks on the controllers, buy a sniper game and get really good at accurate, one shot hits. Then turn your controller upside down and repeat the process.
Then, while you are doing that, start thinking about maths, smashing through multiplication tables as fast as you can.
My advise:
go and get a console with joysticks on the controllers, buy a sniper game and get really good at accurate, one shot hits. Then turn your controller upside down and repeat the process.
Then, while you are doing that, start thinking about maths, smashing through multiplication tables as fast as you can.
Academic marks don't seem to make a big difference as suggested above. I got through after only having completed year 11 (I later completed Y12 through the Army) and passed the testing well.
The requirements are constantly changing, however, due to economic circumstances. When times are good many people don't want a bar of the ADF and so entry requirements are lowered. When times are bad the ADF often becomes an employer of choice 'by default' and standards are raised.
The requirements are constantly changing, however, due to economic circumstances. When times are good many people don't want a bar of the ADF and so entry requirements are lowered. When times are bad the ADF often becomes an employer of choice 'by default' and standards are raised.
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First, be careful taking "advise" from people who clearly can't spell.
Second, do well at maths, and english and the rest won't matter. I got in with decent marks in English, Maths Methods (Victoria) and PE, Geography and Biology.
Most important aspects for pilot testing are maturity and flying ability. Monkey see.....Monkey do on flight screening and BFTS is all you need.
My advise:
Second, do well at maths, and english and the rest won't matter. I got in with decent marks in English, Maths Methods (Victoria) and PE, Geography and Biology.
Most important aspects for pilot testing are maturity and flying ability. Monkey see.....Monkey do on flight screening and BFTS is all you need.
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Your actual marks aren't critical as long as you simply have passes in the right subjects.
With regard to the medical, there's not much you can do to influence it. You're either "A1" or you're not.
You can find IQ testing samples to work on if you have the time.
If you've been playing video games a lot (and winning) you should do well in the eye/hand coordination testing.
If you've been building model airplanes and reading military aviation mags a lot plus keeping up on current affairs, you should be able to answer a lot of the questions at the panel.
I got onto pilots' course with marginal passes (<84%) in the right subjects because I excelled in the other areas which I'd been working on since I was about 8yo and happened to be fit.
Good luck...
With regard to the medical, there's not much you can do to influence it. You're either "A1" or you're not.
You can find IQ testing samples to work on if you have the time.
If you've been playing video games a lot (and winning) you should do well in the eye/hand coordination testing.
If you've been building model airplanes and reading military aviation mags a lot plus keeping up on current affairs, you should be able to answer a lot of the questions at the panel.
I got onto pilots' course with marginal passes (<84%) in the right subjects because I excelled in the other areas which I'd been working on since I was about 8yo and happened to be fit.
Good luck...
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any tips of how to pass the maths test?
I am told it is questions like 0.4356 x 0.233 and 4356 x 23 / 42
I am good at maths but I dont know if I can answer 28 questions like that in 6 mins.
Is there a method I should use to find the answers quickly?
How many questions should I aim to answer?
I am told it is questions like 0.4356 x 0.233 and 4356 x 23 / 42
I am good at maths but I dont know if I can answer 28 questions like that in 6 mins.
Is there a method I should use to find the answers quickly?
How many questions should I aim to answer?
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You're not supposed to finish all the questions. It's all about accuracy, speed, paying attention, doing your best and just getting through what you can. If you finish all the spec test questions in the time, you would be some sort of freak in my opinion (and deserving of respect for your mathematical skills!).
Just relax, be yourself, be confident without being arrogant, express yourself clearly without making excuses, look the recruiting officer in the eye and think about your answers before running your mouth off. Give enough detail to answer the question but not so much they'll get sick of hearing you talk.
Let us know how you get on!
Just relax, be yourself, be confident without being arrogant, express yourself clearly without making excuses, look the recruiting officer in the eye and think about your answers before running your mouth off. Give enough detail to answer the question but not so much they'll get sick of hearing you talk.
Let us know how you get on!
