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Old 8th Jul 2009, 01:05
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Preventing mid-air collisions.

What a terrific document!

Just received mine in the mail and I'll be sure to carry it about in my nav-bag. So many pearls of wisdom in these pages. I'm so glad the big issues are really being grabbed by our regulator and condensed into such a valuable and well presented document!

I feel safer already!

Now when I fly about with my "anti-collision light" on and this terrific CASA document in my possession, I'll feel like there is a powerful force-shield protecting me from the very people that think it's a great idea to allow jet RPT traffic into 3rd world aerodromes at night.

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Well...at least they're trying I guess. I read over it once...turn on transponder, turn on lights, keep a look out. Thanks.

At the very least, it made me think about mid-air collisions for a few moments. No doubt the money had to be spent, but it could have been directed in a more effective manner.

CASA workign on reducing traffic congestion, being more strigent on circuit size, and DVD on situational awareness and procedures, would help.
 
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I certainly do not wish to turn this into a race-based thread, but....

What percentage of those mid-airs and near misses involved air crew from a non-English speaking background?

What percentage had, as a contributing factor, non-standard or otherwise inadequate RT?

In my area the radio calls made by some of the students (foreign and local, VH and RAAus) do little more than alert you there is another aircraft.... somewhere.
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And training standards.
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I thought exactly the same Horatio. I believe CASA should be targeting the groups who seem to be having most of these accidents. Put on seminars at training schools re: when to broadcast, using clear and concise language, having confidence on the radio etc. Even an interactive web based program in the form of an animated aeroplane would have more of an impact than the little cards that ended up being filed in the bin. This response is typical of CASA's bureaucratic approach to these matters. The drug and alcohol testing posters comes to mind (although they do make good cardboard templates). Surely these people can come up with something a bit smarter than this.
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In my area the radio calls made by some of the students (foreign and local, VH and RAAus) do little more than alert you there is another aircraft.... somewhere.
Not YCNK or YMND by anychance....often hearing that lovely deafing squeal of 2 transmissions in at once because some clown wasn't listening...

Wouldn't it be nice if casa could come up with a DVD or do something useful to try & get everyone speaking the same lauguage on the radio, christ it's not that hard but so many pilots some experience & some not so can't get it right or even come close

Don't even get me started on the training standards of some schools around the area
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The departure call for GAAP's changed last month in the AIP's, 95% of the calls that I now hear are incorrect. (Picky I know , but correct & clear radio calls are a sign of professionalism).
 
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The departure call for GAAP's changed last month in the AIP's
I can't spot it - point me to reference please
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ENR 30.2 or the list of GAAP radiotelephony procedures

(Big black line down the margin indicates new changes in the print version)
 
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OK thanks. What is written currently sounds right. Not having the old page I cant discern what has actually changed! What is the changed requirement?
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The order of the call now reflects the order in C or D airspace.

The call now is "Moorabbin Tower, Arrow Alpha Bravo Charlie, Dual, Recieved November, For Circuits, Ready runway 17 Right"

It used to be "Moorabbin Tower, Arrow Alpha Bravo Charlie, is ready at runway 17 Right for circuits, recieved november, dual"

I haven't heard anyone else do it this way yet, aside myself. I keep wondering if I'm the one that's wrong....the only other format I hear is the new student, flicking between the _____ to english dictionary at the same time. That, I feel is the fault of the instructor. They should only be allowed to make radio calls once they've proved theirselves competent to do so, otherwise it is a safety issue. The live airways is no place to be practicing when some one-on-one roleplaying would make it safer.
 
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I know ongoing revision can be good, but (probably a sign of me getting older) I'm getting a bit sick of periodic changes to R/T for little practical gain.

That's got to be a prime cause for non-standard calls - they change all the time, or so it seems.

Surely there's a case for not changing things unless they're safety critical, rather than because whoever's writing the rules this month thinks something's not quite right.
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Hopefully it isn't like the calender CASA sent out a couple of months back that was missing the whole of March for 2010. A calender with only 11 months. Whoever proof read that should now be unemployed.
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The order of the call now reflects the order in C or D airspace.

The call now is "Moorabbin Tower, Arrow Alpha Bravo Charlie, Dual, Recieved November, For Circuits, Ready runway 17 Right"

It used to be "Moorabbin Tower, Arrow Alpha Bravo Charlie, is ready at runway 17 Right for circuits, recieved november, dual"
It sounds to me like a cosmetic change. I would call "Camden Tower, Cessna Alpha Bravo Charlie dual ready zero six for circuits with Alpha" and haven't been chipped by anyone so far.

If the required data is in the call, I dont think the sequence matters. Can one of the ATCers frequenting PPrune convince me otherwise?

Surely there's a case for not changing things unless they're safety critical, rather than because whoever's writing the rules this month thinks something's not quite right.
I agree
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Yeah, that change seems awfully pointless to me - no additions or subtractions from the call at all. What was wrong with the old format?
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If only our licenses looked as nice and flashy as todays mail...and we pay $25 for the damn thing!
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Haha absolutely StaticPort. And you can't even use the bloody licence as ID in a CPL/ATPL exam....(the black and white photo is unacceptable).
 
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Mid-air collisions are very rare - they normally happen in the circuit and when they do also in controlled airspace.

What does that say?
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Old 8th Jul 2009, 11:55
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Mid-air collisions are very rare - they normally happen in the circuit and when they do also in controlled airspace.

What does that say?
That CASA & Airservices are in talks to have the whole regs rewritten to make sure they've covered their asses
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Mid-air collisions are very rare - they normally happen in the circuit and when they do also in controlled airspace.

What does that say?
Traffic density perchance?
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