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The second article mentions the following:
"A SYDNEY flying school was using unqualified trainers to teach large numbers of Indian students in a "critical" breach of standards, the State Government's education watchdog says."
"...the use of trainers who do not have the qualifications required by the Australian Quality Training Framework was considered to be a critical non-compliance that required action."
What sort of qualifications are they referring to? I don't think any organization would be stupid enough to hire instructors without the appropriate licences and ratings.
I'm guessing the article is instead referring to some other specific training required by employees of registered training organizations (RTOs). I remember vaguely, that during my training, all the instructors in my school underwent a week long cert. iv course. I seem to remember that none of them enjoyed it very much!
I'd be interested in specifics anyone can provide. Cheers!
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"A SYDNEY flying school was using unqualified trainers to teach large numbers of Indian students in a "critical" breach of standards, the State Government's education watchdog says."
"...the use of trainers who do not have the qualifications required by the Australian Quality Training Framework was considered to be a critical non-compliance that required action."
What sort of qualifications are they referring to? I don't think any organization would be stupid enough to hire instructors without the appropriate licences and ratings.
I'm guessing the article is instead referring to some other specific training required by employees of registered training organizations (RTOs). I remember vaguely, that during my training, all the instructors in my school underwent a week long cert. iv course. I seem to remember that none of them enjoyed it very much!
I'd be interested in specifics anyone can provide. Cheers!
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flying often takes a back seat to having fun.
Maybe I haven't been at it long enough for the fun to wear off
Gotta' agree with you there HardCore'.
I've been at it for 25years, and I still think it's the most fun you can have with your clothe's on!
I've been at it for 25years, and I still think it's the most fun you can have with your clothe's on!
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IMHO I think that there's a responsibility on the part of the training organisation to set clear goals, and a responsibility of the trainee to meet those goals - wherever they come from. And if they don't, then the CPL wannabee needs to be shown the door and given a refund of the remaining $. Preferably at the point where it's clear it's not going to work, rather than when the $ run out.
Apologies if you do, again it's just that I haven't seen much discussion on that point here. Would be nice to see some positive discussion on what your organisation does in these situations or what you've seen work... anybody?
Of course, that is kinda dependent on the organisation having the appropriate qualifications in the first place!
Apologies if you do, again it's just that I haven't seen much discussion on that point here. Would be nice to see some positive discussion on what your organisation does in these situations or what you've seen work... anybody?
Of course, that is kinda dependent on the organisation having the appropriate qualifications in the first place!
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Over this side of the ditch... after the initial "goldrush" on Student Loans and CPL courses left a lot of 'wannabes' with massive loans, half completed licenses/diplomas and whinging parents... they changed the rules.
Basically, a school is allocated a certain number of "funded" positions, that I am led to believe is, at least partly, based on the success of the previous year(s).
This puts some of the onus back on the individual training establishments to vet the candidates (tests, interviews etc) and ensure they have a reasonable chance of success. Otherwise their allocated positions get reduced which means less "easy" $$$$
As I see it, the foreign students are effectively self-funded, so there is no real onus on the training establishments to do this... and they can just take anyone with enough cash, regardless of their ability and likelihood of success.
I know here in NZ, the foreign students need to get a student visa to undertake flight training. Is it the same in AU? If so, maybe the government could look at limiting the number of student visas allocated to a particular school, again based on previous performance. In this way, the schools would have to be a bit more careful who they take... and might take a bit more interest in the progress of the students.
Additionally, the interview and testing process would hopefully weed out the "slackers"... so you're left with the ones who are actually going to make an effort.
It is after all, a two way street...
Basically, a school is allocated a certain number of "funded" positions, that I am led to believe is, at least partly, based on the success of the previous year(s).
This puts some of the onus back on the individual training establishments to vet the candidates (tests, interviews etc) and ensure they have a reasonable chance of success. Otherwise their allocated positions get reduced which means less "easy" $$$$
As I see it, the foreign students are effectively self-funded, so there is no real onus on the training establishments to do this... and they can just take anyone with enough cash, regardless of their ability and likelihood of success.
I know here in NZ, the foreign students need to get a student visa to undertake flight training. Is it the same in AU? If so, maybe the government could look at limiting the number of student visas allocated to a particular school, again based on previous performance. In this way, the schools would have to be a bit more careful who they take... and might take a bit more interest in the progress of the students.
Additionally, the interview and testing process would hopefully weed out the "slackers"... so you're left with the ones who are actually going to make an effort.
It is after all, a two way street...
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Well... I was going to say that after proof-reading my post, it sounds entirely too logical to actually be implemented by any government 
But of course they came up with the student loan funded cap AFTER their kids had all gone through the system and benefited from it :P
This letter is dated October 2003... apparently Mr Maharey's daughter was on the fully funded Student Loan CPL course in 2002
And I believe Dr Cullen had his daughter on the course prior to that...
Still, I doubt they'll cap the visa's anytime soon... too much $$$ to be had methinks... especially in these times
But of course they came up with the student loan funded cap AFTER their kids had all gone through the system and benefited from it :P
This letter is dated October 2003... apparently Mr Maharey's daughter was on the fully funded Student Loan CPL course in 2002
And I believe Dr Cullen had his daughter on the course prior to that...
Still, I doubt they'll cap the visa's anytime soon... too much $$$ to be had methinks... especially in these times
