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Old 17th Jun 2009, 02:45
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Magnified bar story? maybe. Makes you think twice about jumping out of an out-of-control airplane though.
Better that than ride it all the way into the ground though.
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Properly configured Jump planes DO have a door jettison system.

It is essentially just a couple of removable door pins on a pulley system, quite simple really. Not sure if such a system would be practical on a Caravan as they are pretty hefty hinges.


Long John, you can ask pilot of said Airvan how he jumped out, he's on here and probably reading...
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Old 17th Jun 2009, 05:00
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Re jump plots wearing chutes

Australian Parachute Regulation 5.1.14. A serviceable parachute and training in its use is to be made available to pilots of parachuting aircraft.

Don't know when this was introduced. Certainly not the practice to wear chutes when I was involved in the scene long, long ago.
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Old 17th Jun 2009, 06:13
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Thats tops
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10/10 to the spotter....got the aircraft right next to the runway....almost dead centre. Makes me wish I had worn a rig when I did my 600 odd hour meatbomb stint...

There have been a couple of accidents where the first guys get out and the rest have been trapped in the back due to the high G loads. Mainly front exit jumpships like the C210/182...and normally in engine failures after take-off which become full blown stalls....

I guess having the tail off changes your attitude to " I'll stay / go down with the ship rather..."
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 00:46
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I guess having the tail off changes your attitude to " I'll stay / go down with the ship rather..."
yeah losing that peice of vital airframe would do that too ya
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 01:01
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At least with the tail gone he didn't have to worry about hitting it given that it wasn't there. That would be my fear jumping out in a near vertical spiral dive - hitting the tail. Imagine if it had hit the buildings, ouch! It have been one hell of a bang, or atleast a louder bang that what there already was.
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 02:05
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Interestingly, old mate "Al", despite the fact the pilots private parachute saved his life in Al's aircraft, still refused to provide parachutes for his pilots. This is taking "tight as a fishs bum" and desregard for life to another level.
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 06:31
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When I spent a short period launching lawn darts in the early 80s I was given a slimpak and shown how to inspect it for serviceability and use it...I had many jumps under my belt but not using modern equipment, just those awful para commander round canopies.

It never occurred to me that wearing a parachute on lawn dart ops was optional.

I was also made VERY aware that if I actually used it for anything short of a lawn dart wrapped around the tail I would be beat to a messy pulp upon landing

Well done that man
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 06:41
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I was also made VERY aware that if I actually used it for anything short of a lawn dart wrapped around the tail I would be beat to a messy pulp upon landing
Must be a standard jump pilot briefing , I got that one also

Lawn Darts , hadn't heard that one before

Other nicknames for Skydivers : meat missiles , meat bombs , sky-trash , any others ?
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 06:59
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Chimbu,
In my disposable passenger days, I wore the round shute as well, and like you was told that should I ever need to use it, jump out, don't free fall, just pull the thing straight away. Then if I was lucky, I'd come away from the landing with maybe a broken leg.

After watching that thing on Barry, I thank my lucky stars all the drops I did were successful!

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Old 18th Jun 2009, 07:04
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Nicknames for Skydivers : Lawn Darts, Meat Missiles, Meat Bombs , Sky-trash, any others ?
Loopies!

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Old 18th Jun 2009, 07:38
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How's the "MC home made RNAV's" going these MCdays?? Anyone know? Is it true he issues you with MC 5 bars? Being airline pilots and all??
 
Old 18th Jun 2009, 11:54
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Thanks JetX, good cat is Midi, loved having a go at all thr brown snakes around the hangar

As far as the RNAVs, I know a guy who still has handwritten copies of said approaches from the man himself

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Old 18th Jun 2009, 11:57
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Nicknames for Skydivers : Lawn Darts, Meat Missiles, Meat Bombs , Sky-trash, any others ?
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I've got a fair collection for doctors .. and a few extra's for bonza drivers as well.. but this topic is hardly the place...
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Old 20th Jun 2009, 04:48
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Magnified bar story? maybe. Makes you think twice about jumping out of an out-of-control airplane though.
When I heard the (same) story Dave has a think before he pops the chute and has a look around for the aeroplane. It was directly above him, and looked like a ceiling fan. Cue frantic Wiley Coyote arm flapping to get out from under... I did hear it in a bar too, but I was more-or-less sober and believed every word.
May be a silly question, but if the tail was missing, why was he trying to open the roller door? Couldn't he just jump straight out the back?
Guess you haven't seen the video then, it was just the stab gone.

What I wonder is who was holding the camera when he was the only person on board the aircraft and struggling with the door? He must have been using the exact same camera as the jumper who was already outside the aircraft because it has exactly the same fuzzy focus, wobbling, and dubious color control...

Despite all that, well done pilot guy.
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Old 20th Jun 2009, 05:27
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seems to me some of the video was filmed in a cessna.
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Old 20th Jun 2009, 05:38
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seems to me that all of the internal shots were in a Cessna -206, no less and on the ZK- register. Have a good look at those panel shots!

CAA-NZ records her as a TU206-F, currently registered to Auckland Skydivers Inc.

There's a couple of shots there (of the pilot concerned) that I'd be pretty confident are not in a 206... trim-wheel on the roof, panel-layout reminiscent of a Pilatus Turbo Porter or similar. He looks a bit younger in those shots too, so possibly footage he provided himself?

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Old 22nd Jun 2009, 08:14
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' Jedi ' Jump Pilots ?

when I came in on Finals at 300FT/80KTS and took my hands off the control column
So what's the deal with the 'Jedi' approach ?

Was it a demonstration to show the Caravan could land 'no hands' or you had to do every landing like that ?

Must be interesting in a cross wind ...
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Old 22nd Jun 2009, 10:42
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Jedi Approach, awesome! Use the force, or was it that he forced you to do it his way?

A power game and an attempt to teach us all how to fly, including not turning the transponder to standby when changing code.

Ah well it was his trainset and you only had to do that when he was on board, the rest of the time you could fly the aeroplane

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