Beware of the copper flying at night with the lights off....
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P B – why did you post this link and then state that if YOU were in the wrong place at the wrong time there could be an issue, of bloody course there would be as you would be inside CTA and/or failing to comply with normal and/or specific ATC procedures. This would then be YOUR FAULT and not that of the helo following legitimate ATC procedures, IFR and identified by ATC as they are. You complete nobber – get a life and stop trying to infer that these operations compromise your safety. I might add that when in cloud ( as happens IFR from time to time) light or no lights make no difference. Clear off you uninformed git.
CC – you also are of the uninformed but highly opinionated type who would be far better off reading threads and the posts of others without inflicting your inane drivel ad nauseum. – go away and play with your toys, as you know nothing of this topic, clearly.
Mickk – who gives a toss about your opinions regarding this matter, you do not have the slightest clue about the legitimacy and operational requirements of these (or I suspect any other) flight operations. Again an arrogant ignorant tosser who just can keep their mealy mouth shut on a topic of which they are COMPLETELY IGNORANT. Go back to flight sim as you know nothing about the real world.
Triadic – good on ya mate!, who cares if the plod are trying to operate in a covert nature, get on the blower and call everybody, do you not think that bad guys have heard of scanners. You self righteous old sad jobsworth. I know who and where the incident that you referred to occurred. Your opinions are just that and as far as your comment that the only time that “the only time a civil aircraft should have lights out is when its parked”, get real, this is a common occurrence in some operational environments, under strictly controlled operational circumstances when issues of serious criminal activities are being observed, and when issues of national importance dictate, not just because some self possessed plod thinks it might be a bit of fun. Do you think there are no rules except yours that aply to Police Airwork??? You amaze me again, but then again you always did know everything, what should I expect?
Desmotronic – unadulterated drivel spewing forth from some self professed expert like you is a complete waste of bandwidth. Another uninformed armchair expert that would prefer that they could, speed, drink drive, and grow hootch to their hearts content, but ooooh, the cops must not try to do their job if it doesn’t agree with your paranoic opinions. Know what you are talking about, or stay off the pprune and stay on the couch with your twisties, remote control and pirated porn. These are the POLICE conducting these operations under approved procedures, not naughtly little boys like you and the other nobbers that are screaming foul. How could you possibly know the circumstances under which the ops are conducted and as far as launching from EN at night with lights out and no AD lighting, so what, if they are suitably equipped, operationally required and approved. The reason that you didn’t hear them on your scanner is that they will be obtaining IFR clearances from ML after EN TWR HRS, and, shock!, Horror! DO NOT NEED YOUR APPROVAL. GO AWAY and let the grown-ups look after the real world, you nasty little speck of dirt.
To all those who are relatively uninformed but have a sensible and mature approach to such things, I thank you and appreciate your understanding. It’s just these know-nothing know-alls that get up my nose on this, and many other threads with their self professed expert opinions.
CC – you also are of the uninformed but highly opinionated type who would be far better off reading threads and the posts of others without inflicting your inane drivel ad nauseum. – go away and play with your toys, as you know nothing of this topic, clearly.
Mickk – who gives a toss about your opinions regarding this matter, you do not have the slightest clue about the legitimacy and operational requirements of these (or I suspect any other) flight operations. Again an arrogant ignorant tosser who just can keep their mealy mouth shut on a topic of which they are COMPLETELY IGNORANT. Go back to flight sim as you know nothing about the real world.
Triadic – good on ya mate!, who cares if the plod are trying to operate in a covert nature, get on the blower and call everybody, do you not think that bad guys have heard of scanners. You self righteous old sad jobsworth. I know who and where the incident that you referred to occurred. Your opinions are just that and as far as your comment that the only time that “the only time a civil aircraft should have lights out is when its parked”, get real, this is a common occurrence in some operational environments, under strictly controlled operational circumstances when issues of serious criminal activities are being observed, and when issues of national importance dictate, not just because some self possessed plod thinks it might be a bit of fun. Do you think there are no rules except yours that aply to Police Airwork??? You amaze me again, but then again you always did know everything, what should I expect?
Desmotronic – unadulterated drivel spewing forth from some self professed expert like you is a complete waste of bandwidth. Another uninformed armchair expert that would prefer that they could, speed, drink drive, and grow hootch to their hearts content, but ooooh, the cops must not try to do their job if it doesn’t agree with your paranoic opinions. Know what you are talking about, or stay off the pprune and stay on the couch with your twisties, remote control and pirated porn. These are the POLICE conducting these operations under approved procedures, not naughtly little boys like you and the other nobbers that are screaming foul. How could you possibly know the circumstances under which the ops are conducted and as far as launching from EN at night with lights out and no AD lighting, so what, if they are suitably equipped, operationally required and approved. The reason that you didn’t hear them on your scanner is that they will be obtaining IFR clearances from ML after EN TWR HRS, and, shock!, Horror! DO NOT NEED YOUR APPROVAL. GO AWAY and let the grown-ups look after the real world, you nasty little speck of dirt.
To all those who are relatively uninformed but have a sensible and mature approach to such things, I thank you and appreciate your understanding. It’s just these know-nothing know-alls that get up my nose on this, and many other threads with their self professed expert opinions.
Mick you seem to have some anger management issues. You might find this "illuminating".
No one i am sure would want the coppers to not make best use of available technology in the public interest. However NVG have well documented limitations and cao82.6 is not carte blanche to do as you please.
TIO,
I'll try that when i next get busted for 103 in a 100 zone.
5. Complacency and Overconfidence
5.1 Compared to other types of flight operations, there may be an increased tendency by a
crewmember to overestimate the capabilities of both the NVG equipment, and what this
enables pilots to do. This can potentially result in complacency and overconfidence in the
equipment. Similar to other specialised flight operations, complacency and overconfidence
may lead to an acceptance of situations that would normally not be permitted. For example,
attention span and vigilance maybe reduced, important elements in a task series overlooked,
and scanning patterns, which are essential for situational awareness, break down. Critical
but routine tasks can often be skipped or overlooked.
5.2 Consequently, both operators and individual crewmembers should remain vigilant to
the onset of any overconfidence and/or complacency during operations. This may be
achieved by regular flight checks and refresher training and during flight operations by crew
monitoring and CRM procedures that allow all crewmembers to query the actions of the
pilot flying. Examples of such procedures include Threat and Error Management (such as
the three strike rule).
5.1 Compared to other types of flight operations, there may be an increased tendency by a
crewmember to overestimate the capabilities of both the NVG equipment, and what this
enables pilots to do. This can potentially result in complacency and overconfidence in the
equipment. Similar to other specialised flight operations, complacency and overconfidence
may lead to an acceptance of situations that would normally not be permitted. For example,
attention span and vigilance maybe reduced, important elements in a task series overlooked,
and scanning patterns, which are essential for situational awareness, break down. Critical
but routine tasks can often be skipped or overlooked.
5.2 Consequently, both operators and individual crewmembers should remain vigilant to
the onset of any overconfidence and/or complacency during operations. This may be
achieved by regular flight checks and refresher training and during flight operations by crew
monitoring and CRM procedures that allow all crewmembers to query the actions of the
pilot flying. Examples of such procedures include Threat and Error Management (such as
the three strike rule).
TIO,
Desmo, give me a break.
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However NVG have well documented limitations and cao82.6 is not carte blanche to do as you please.
And who says POLAIR are "doing as they please"? Can you give examples?
I can see why Micky P blew a gasket a couple of posts ago!
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Micky, ok, I'll bite, but just because I'm in a good mood and your post made me laugh 
great first post, by the way, will ensure you're taken seriously here 
an anonymous platform is great, isn't it? Finally you can vent your bottled up anger as you like and throw around expletives like a fourteen year old -- at least a couple of times.. you do that to anyone in person surely they'd tell you to stuff it and avoid you from there on in, and rightly so!
But rather than just stating the bleedin obvious, let me give you something to think about before you come back and throw another girly tantrum to our collective amusement
Wrong place wrong time could just be outside radar coverage or otherwise in Class G as a VFR aircraft where there is no ATC separation from the dark IFR chopper, so I wouldn't need to be doing the wrong thing at all.
Consider that most of the airspace immediately above populated metropolitan suburban areas in Oz (i.e. where such a chopper would be operating) are class G (except of course the C/D bits around the major aerodromes) and as such I am perfectly legal to fly around there at night even without a transponder, so I might very well not be under anyone's control, on anyone's screen, and perfectly vulnerable
However I do acknowledge that probability is low as at night over populated area NVFR an aircraft would most likely be (at LSALT or above) higher than the copper chopper. BUT as an individual I only need one occurrence to bring me to grief so probabilities are really besides the point, and consequently anything that moves the odds somewhat against me especially at night I think I rightly feel uneasy about
Bring it on, angry man
great first post, by the way, will ensure you're taken seriously here an anonymous platform is great, isn't it? Finally you can vent your bottled up anger as you like and throw around expletives like a fourteen year old -- at least a couple of times.. you do that to anyone in person surely they'd tell you to stuff it and avoid you from there on in, and rightly so! But rather than just stating the bleedin obvious, let me give you something to think about before you come back and throw another girly tantrum to our collective amusement
Wrong place wrong time could just be outside radar coverage or otherwise in Class G as a VFR aircraft where there is no ATC separation from the dark IFR chopper, so I wouldn't need to be doing the wrong thing at all.
Consider that most of the airspace immediately above populated metropolitan suburban areas in Oz (i.e. where such a chopper would be operating) are class G (except of course the C/D bits around the major aerodromes) and as such I am perfectly legal to fly around there at night even without a transponder, so I might very well not be under anyone's control, on anyone's screen, and perfectly vulnerable
However I do acknowledge that probability is low as at night over populated area NVFR an aircraft would most likely be (at LSALT or above) higher than the copper chopper. BUT as an individual I only need one occurrence to bring me to grief so probabilities are really besides the point, and consequently anything that moves the odds somewhat against me especially at night I think I rightly feel uneasy about
Bring it on, angry man
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PB - good on ya for raising about 2% of the relevant issues related to such operations. do you seriously think that you and you alone are the only one that has given this type of operation any dedicated think time?
Oh that's right, the coppers just launch and turn their lights of without a moments thought of consequences, unlike your eminently qualified and knowledgable self. grow up, and be glad that these people are actually on your side and work day (and night) for the protection of you and the society and community that you and I live in.
I didn't think that this thread was meant to be a "bash the Police Air Wing cos they're a bunch of w@nkers" thread, but that there may have been a real reason for your initial post, however I was sadly wrong, you and the tinfoil hat brigade are off on your merry way seeing ill where none resides.
Launch a "bad apples in the police forces" thread if you like, but try not to get too confused with reality.
have a nice day.
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Oh that's right, the coppers just launch and turn their lights of without a moments thought of consequences, unlike your eminently qualified and knowledgable self. grow up, and be glad that these people are actually on your side and work day (and night) for the protection of you and the society and community that you and I live in.
I didn't think that this thread was meant to be a "bash the Police Air Wing cos they're a bunch of w@nkers" thread, but that there may have been a real reason for your initial post, however I was sadly wrong, you and the tinfoil hat brigade are off on your merry way seeing ill where none resides.
Launch a "bad apples in the police forces" thread if you like, but try not to get too confused with reality.
have a nice day.
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Plank Bender -
If you are going toaltz around over major metro areas, at night, below lowest safe, at IFR levels believing that you are OCTA, outside RDR, NVFR and without any responsibility for the potential consequences I rest my previous case.
if you are outside RDR at night NVFR you should be at appropriate level and making brouadcasts as recommended.
POLAIR ACFT want to know about yobs like yourself that seem to think that blasting around the sky at night over major cities without making any broadcasts, talking to RDR, or even submitting details is good sport as they would really like to avoid nut bags like YOU. Oh by the way I assume that there would also be no TCAS in the POLAIRCRAFT either.
If you are playing by the rules, or even if you aren't, the chances of an incident rest primarily with YOU, as the other guys will be complying with a serious list of requirements, and carrying very expensive equipment, and operating within limitations of their exemptions.
Wonder what happened to my last post. seems to have been pulled by the mods and it wasn't even a big deal. still i fthey want to support the likes of the uninformed and ignorant knockers and not those who feel insulted by these children, i suppose it is their perogative, after all, I am just one of those who is sick of being trashed by the know-nothings, good on ya blokes.
If you are going toaltz around over major metro areas, at night, below lowest safe, at IFR levels believing that you are OCTA, outside RDR, NVFR and without any responsibility for the potential consequences I rest my previous case.
if you are outside RDR at night NVFR you should be at appropriate level and making brouadcasts as recommended.
You should be showing lights as you are required by law to do.
You should not be operating at an IFR level without any broadcast etc.
if you are making broadcasts and CTR is aware of you , you will be given as TFC to the POLAIR albeit on a different freq.
All metro areas in Aus are RDR any you are REQUIRED (with some minor exeptions) to be SSR equipped and operating correct code. most metro areas are CTA/CTR (showing my age) and if you are operating within CTA you will be seperated by ATC.You should not be operating at an IFR level without any broadcast etc.
if you are making broadcasts and CTR is aware of you , you will be given as TFC to the POLAIR albeit on a different freq.
POLAIR ACFT want to know about yobs like yourself that seem to think that blasting around the sky at night over major cities without making any broadcasts, talking to RDR, or even submitting details is good sport as they would really like to avoid nut bags like YOU. Oh by the way I assume that there would also be no TCAS in the POLAIRCRAFT either.
If you are playing by the rules, or even if you aren't, the chances of an incident rest primarily with YOU, as the other guys will be complying with a serious list of requirements, and carrying very expensive equipment, and operating within limitations of their exemptions.
Wonder what happened to my last post. seems to have been pulled by the mods and it wasn't even a big deal. still i fthey want to support the likes of the uninformed and ignorant knockers and not those who feel insulted by these children, i suppose it is their perogative, after all, I am just one of those who is sick of being trashed by the know-nothings, good on ya blokes.
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Whoa, binned after first post in former life.
I guess that the mods are on the side of the ignorant and uninformed in this instance, anyway, if I want to play in their sand pit I must follow their rules.
To those with whom I got a wee bit vitriolic I aplolgize for some of the insulting language, but stand very firmly by the essence of my argument regarding being informed prior to criticising others as muppets etc, which PB,CC, desmo seemed to be allowed to do but not me, oh well.
To 540 XXX CSD and the many others that took a more sensible approach to this topic (the vast majority I see) i respect your comment and can see that you have some of the common sense and intelligence that those to whom I referred earlier do not.
The plod do not just wait till it gets dark and then launch without lights just for a bit of fun, nor are these ops conducted without an extremely high level of planning and consideration as well as a pile of very expensive equipment. In addition the CASA has to have been convinced that the op is safe to acceptable standards within the limitations of the instrument that is granted, even if clowns like PB wish to wander around over metro areas without their SSR on, without talking to anyone, at any old level they feel like.
Why someone who like Plank Bender, who has sufficint hand eye coordination to read (skim) and then post tripe doesn't take the time to consider that they are not the sole repository of all knowledge is beyond me.
The police air wing(s) are there for our protection and service and are not just a bunch of gung ho swashbucklers out to crash into the general public. All of these types of operation are subject to a vastly higher level of scrutiny and oversight than poor uneducated souls like those referred to in a stronger tone a few posts ago can possibly comprehend.
CC - did you work that out for yourself??
Have a nice day - FP
I guess that the mods are on the side of the ignorant and uninformed in this instance, anyway, if I want to play in their sand pit I must follow their rules.
To those with whom I got a wee bit vitriolic I aplolgize for some of the insulting language, but stand very firmly by the essence of my argument regarding being informed prior to criticising others as muppets etc, which PB,CC, desmo seemed to be allowed to do but not me, oh well.
To 540 XXX CSD and the many others that took a more sensible approach to this topic (the vast majority I see) i respect your comment and can see that you have some of the common sense and intelligence that those to whom I referred earlier do not.
The plod do not just wait till it gets dark and then launch without lights just for a bit of fun, nor are these ops conducted without an extremely high level of planning and consideration as well as a pile of very expensive equipment. In addition the CASA has to have been convinced that the op is safe to acceptable standards within the limitations of the instrument that is granted, even if clowns like PB wish to wander around over metro areas without their SSR on, without talking to anyone, at any old level they feel like.
Why someone who like Plank Bender, who has sufficint hand eye coordination to read (skim) and then post tripe doesn't take the time to consider that they are not the sole repository of all knowledge is beyond me.
The police air wing(s) are there for our protection and service and are not just a bunch of gung ho swashbucklers out to crash into the general public. All of these types of operation are subject to a vastly higher level of scrutiny and oversight than poor uneducated souls like those referred to in a stronger tone a few posts ago can possibly comprehend.
Bet he/she/it joined again today just to make that one post
Have a nice day - FP
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Desmo old chap your little blurb on Complacency and Overconfidence
is spot on, consider for one moment that these crews have this little gem of information and a whole lot more, and may I suggest a bunch of training to go with it relaaaaaaaax..... And if you got done for 103 in a 100 zone then why not do 100??
(no I am not a copper....)
Plankey...
So why do you feel uneasy? If they are equiped with NVG then they will spot you WELL before you could spot them mate, particularly if you are skylined against a dark background. Have a think about it for a moment, single pilot NVFR vs multi crew with NVG (and one can assume sufficient currency and training) who do you think has the greater SA for potential traffic separation?? 
relaaaaax!!!
Desmo, mickk and co, I am making assumptions here that in fact you do have several hundred hours of NVG experience since your posts exhibit a certain authority on the subject matter. If you do then thats great I could always use some more tips 
Capt Sand Dune...
is spot on, consider for one moment that these crews have this little gem of information and a whole lot more, and may I suggest a bunch of training to go with it
relaaaaaaaax..... And if you got done for 103 in a 100 zone then why not do 100?? (no I am not a copper....)Plankey...
However I do acknowledge that probability is low as at night over populated area NVFR an aircraft would most likely be (at LSALT or above) higher than the copper chopper. BUT as an individual I only need one occurrence to bring me to grief so probabilities are really besides the point, and consequently anything that moves the odds somewhat against me especially at night I think I rightly feel uneasy about
relaaaaax!!! Desmo, mickk and co, I am making assumptions here that in fact you do have several hundred hours of NVG experience since your posts exhibit a certain authority on the subject matter. If you do then thats great
I could always use some more tips Capt Sand Dune...
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Fanny Phelan, nuff said. Read my post properly and respond intelligently, if you're just here to vent your juvenile anger, suit yourself, you'll find it a thoroughly unsatisfactory experience
In the air we all play by the same rules, but these exceptions somewhat skew the playing field, and a non-transponder equipped (!) NVFR pilot at LSALT in class G is very much at risk because see-and-avoid doesn't work as well when it's one-sided, especially where there is no ATC separation IFR/VFR.
So far none of you venom-spitting f@nnies has been able to argue that point, so I'll start to listen again if you can actually get yourselves to put out something of substance
In the air we all play by the same rules, but these exceptions somewhat skew the playing field, and a non-transponder equipped (!) NVFR pilot at LSALT in class G is very much at risk because see-and-avoid doesn't work as well when it's one-sided, especially where there is no ATC separation IFR/VFR.
So far none of you venom-spitting f@nnies has been able to argue that point, so I'll start to listen again if you can actually get yourselves to put out something of substance
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Apparently, aside from yours truly.. The PM is the only one who appears to have read the exemption correctly.
It relates not to NSW Police but to the NSW Police Integrity Commission which (as I understand from the media and their website..) are in the business of investigating criminal and corrupt behaviour and activities of serving and former members of the NSW Police. (Fortunately this is only a small minority...). Good luck to them I say.
From what I've read...they are not an Operational Aviation Law Enforcement body. They do not pursue stolen vehicles, find drugs, conduct searches for missing persons, attend disasters and all that stuff that aircraft operated by Police agencies do in Australia....they don't use "Polair" callsign because they don't qualify for it.....
Seeing as they are not Aviation Law Enforcement, ADF or EMS I guess that throws their eligibility to use NVIS out the window as well....
I'd doubt if they'v ever had to use the exemption but if they have I'd bet that ATC were totally across whatever it was they were up to. Also I'd be fairly confident that Mick Quinn wouldn't have signed his name to it if there was a likelyhood that the appropriate checks and balances weren't in place to prevent any such ops for going "pearshape..."
Nevertheless though..."stranger things have happened......"
It relates not to NSW Police but to the NSW Police Integrity Commission which (as I understand from the media and their website..) are in the business of investigating criminal and corrupt behaviour and activities of serving and former members of the NSW Police. (Fortunately this is only a small minority...). Good luck to them I say.
From what I've read...they are not an Operational Aviation Law Enforcement body. They do not pursue stolen vehicles, find drugs, conduct searches for missing persons, attend disasters and all that stuff that aircraft operated by Police agencies do in Australia....they don't use "Polair" callsign because they don't qualify for it.....
Seeing as they are not Aviation Law Enforcement, ADF or EMS I guess that throws their eligibility to use NVIS out the window as well....
I'd doubt if they'v ever had to use the exemption but if they have I'd bet that ATC were totally across whatever it was they were up to. Also I'd be fairly confident that Mick Quinn wouldn't have signed his name to it if there was a likelyhood that the appropriate checks and balances weren't in place to prevent any such ops for going "pearshape..."
Nevertheless though..."stranger things have happened......"
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sneaky fukkers
[QUOTE=tmpffisch;4987110]I believe the Victoria Police also do the same now. Makes sense because of their night vision equipment, but a few months ago I could clearly hear the helicoper was very close, but could not sight it. Occured OCTA, albeit would have been at less than 1000ft
i have vidioed them doing this. i flashed a strong led torch (not laser as this is illegal and can get you in cuffs) they approached, hovered and i waved at them (flir). they then turned their nav lights on and fuked off... they would have been about 500 feet or less. this was at 2am plus. could not give a fuk about people trying to sleep. this has happened many times here (endeavour hills victoria 3802) they won't intimidate me with their shenanigans, just wake me up all the time... *****...
i have vidioed them doing this. i flashed a strong led torch (not laser as this is illegal and can get you in cuffs) they approached, hovered and i waved at them (flir). they then turned their nav lights on and fuked off... they would have been about 500 feet or less. this was at 2am plus. could not give a fuk about people trying to sleep. this has happened many times here (endeavour hills victoria 3802) they won't intimidate me with their shenanigans, just wake me up all the time... *****...
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I have to agree with you Zombywoof...but I rather suspect that he might be in for some more sleepless nights. They almost certainly have his address and identity and a knock on the door in the wee hours could be forthcoming.
Not the brightest star in the sky.
Not the brightest star in the sky.
When you live....
Curious timing as the news this morning has Police arresting a 41y.o man from Brighton last night on charges of interfering with the operation of an aircraft.
Vic police helicopter lasered last night and the guy caught....
Vic police helicopter lasered last night and the guy caught....
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They often fly around the Industrial area North of Brisbane at night with their lights off.
You can hear them, but very difficult to see them from the ground.
Apparently looking out for car hooning idiots (or possibly there for another reason).
You can hear them, but very difficult to see them from the ground.
Apparently looking out for car hooning idiots (or possibly there for another reason).
