Buy or Hire aircraft?
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Buy or Hire aircraft?
Just looking for some opinions on whether to buy or hire a plane for a company that needs transport.
They are looking at a 6 or 8 seater non pressurised plane.
What plane would you recommend and why?
Should they buy or wet or dry lease the aircraft?
I thought maybe a shrike for the cargo capacity and reliability.
I thought a navajo might be a bit expensive on the maintenance side.
It would mainly be used for transporting people and only sometimes freight.
Thanks for your thoughts!
They are looking at a 6 or 8 seater non pressurised plane.
What plane would you recommend and why?
Should they buy or wet or dry lease the aircraft?
I thought maybe a shrike for the cargo capacity and reliability.
I thought a navajo might be a bit expensive on the maintenance side.
It would mainly be used for transporting people and only sometimes freight.
Thanks for your thoughts!
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what sort of range do you need?
What sort of baggage capacity?
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
does it need to be IFR?
does it need STOL performance?
what speed would you like?
what sort of strips would it be going into?
de-icing equipped?
one pilot? or two?
What sort of baggage capacity?
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
does it need to be IFR?
does it need STOL performance?
what speed would you like?
what sort of strips would it be going into?
de-icing equipped?
one pilot? or two?
So you will end up with an aircraft that was manufactured about when you started at Kindy.
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what sort of range do you need?
What sort of baggage capacity?
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
does it need to be IFR?
does it need STOL performance?
what speed would you like?
what sort of strips would it be going into?
de-icing equipped?
one pilot? or two?
What sort of baggage capacity?
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
does it need to be IFR?
does it need STOL performance?
what speed would you like?
what sort of strips would it be going into?
de-icing equipped?
one pilot? or two?
Intermitent use makes owning your own aircraft frightfully expensive...eg I currently own an Auster (don't ask me why) that on fixed costs alone costs me about $300 per hour before I even turn the prop.
Greater use would reduce the hourly cost but I would still be better off hiring if I could be sure of availability.
Ok, so the Auster isn't the aircraft you're looking for, but the numbers are worse for twins.
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HIRE HIRE HIRE!!!!!
Just ask Roger Wilco what the cost of the repair to me was on my Chieftain that crapped itself on him in the middle of nowhere last week..
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Just ask Roger Wilco what the cost of the repair to me was on my Chieftain that crapped itself on him in the middle of nowhere last week..
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Thanks for the responses so far
what sort of range do you need?
around 5 - 6 hours endurance
What sort of baggage capacity?
around 200kg with full pax
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
twin.....i dont like to gamble
does it need to be IFR?
yes
does it need STOL performance?
no
what speed would you like?
TAS around 150 - 180
what sort of strips would it be going into?
both sealed and unsealed
de-icing equipped?
no
one pilot? or two?
one
Cheers everyone
what sort of range do you need?
around 5 - 6 hours endurance
What sort of baggage capacity?
around 200kg with full pax
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
twin.....i dont like to gamble
does it need to be IFR?
yes
does it need STOL performance?
no
what speed would you like?
TAS around 150 - 180
what sort of strips would it be going into?
both sealed and unsealed
de-icing equipped?
no
one pilot? or two?
one
Cheers everyone
As foreshadowed by ZEEBEE the hours to be flown will make a HUGE difference to the numbers. Similarly to Zeebee, I am a hobby flyer doing about 80 hours per year. I have seen the numbers for the single four seat aircraft I fly and I would need to fly 300+ hours pa to break even. As ZEEBEE says the "standing still" costs will be greater for a twin.
Owning (like a car) has the advantage it is usually there when you want it, and you know what its condition will be when you jump in. Renting provides more certain cost per hour flown (all tax deductible), and any maintenance "surprises" belong to someone else. Think and calculate VERY carefully before buying.
Owning (like a car) has the advantage it is usually there when you want it, and you know what its condition will be when you jump in. Renting provides more certain cost per hour flown (all tax deductible), and any maintenance "surprises" belong to someone else. Think and calculate VERY carefully before buying.
Thanks for the responses so far
what sort of range do you need?
around 5 - 6 hours endurance
What sort of baggage capacity?
around 200kg with full pax
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
twin.....i dont like to gamble IGNORANCE IS BLISS
does it need to be IFR?
yes
does it need STOL performance?
no
what speed would you like?
TAS around 150 - 180
what sort of strips would it be going into?
both sealed and unsealed
de-icing equipped?
no
one pilot? or two
one WHY HAVE TWO ENGINES FOR SAFETY WITH ONLY ONE PILOT?
Cheers everyone
what sort of range do you need?
around 5 - 6 hours endurance
What sort of baggage capacity?
around 200kg with full pax
does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
twin.....i dont like to gamble IGNORANCE IS BLISS
does it need to be IFR?
yes
does it need STOL performance?
no
what speed would you like?
TAS around 150 - 180
what sort of strips would it be going into?
both sealed and unsealed
de-icing equipped?
no
one pilot? or two
one WHY HAVE TWO ENGINES FOR SAFETY WITH ONLY ONE PILOT?
Cheers everyone
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5 - 6 hours endurance; 200kg baggage with full pax; twin; IFR; TAS around 150 - 180; both sealed and unsealed strips; one pilot?
At the least you will be looking at a C404 Titan (circa 1985) and if you're serious about it and doing the hours you will be after a B200. Other possibilities are PC12 and C208 for SE option.
Having been there and done that.....unless you have a REAL big budget and SERIOUS utilisation that justifies professional crewing and maintenance, stick to ad-hoc charter as and when required.
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does it need to be a twin or would a single do?
twin.....i dont like to gamble
twin.....i dont like to gamble
For a whole host of reasons I would rather put my arse on the line in a SE turbine any day over some of the piston twins mentioned here.
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Really not too hard to answer, that question: select a small number of suitable models, do your homework (internet/other operators/etc.) and run the numbers re. operating costs (will vary widely with utilisation as others have said, so estimate carefully), depreciation gains, cost of capital, etc., and then compare with rental rates and availability. If there's a huge difference you've got your answer, if it's in the same ballpark (I'd say +/- 20%) then it's a question of risk, luxury of 100% availability, etc..
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I'm currently going through a similar exercise myself and was thinking I would lease an aircraft for the first season to see how it worked out, then all going to plan I will look at buying one. That way you wont end up stuck with an aircraft that doesnt suit what you need if you get it wrong.
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Thanks guys for all of your input.
It has probably answered all of the questions I was after which is great.
I am gathering as much info as i can and then will present it to the boss.
Once again cheers
It has probably answered all of the questions I was after which is great.
I am gathering as much info as i can and then will present it to the boss.
Once again cheers
