Is this Legal ? - Flight school Chief Pilot and Airline Pilot at the same time?
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Horatio Leafblower
Deputy Chief Pilot - duties / functions / responsibilites are as determined by the companies ops manual. It's the CP's arse that's on the line with CASA though - if the Deputy CP
up with the delegated duties the CP takes the heat.
An operator can have an additional chief pilot pre-approved by CASA in case the CP is no longer available to perform his/her duties. There is a $$$ figure involved as well as a CP interview and a flight check. And if the nominated person moves on you do your $$.
Deputy Chief Pilot - duties / functions / responsibilites are as determined by the companies ops manual. It's the CP's arse that's on the line with CASA though - if the Deputy CP
up with the delegated duties the CP takes the heat.An operator can have an additional chief pilot pre-approved by CASA in case the CP is no longer available to perform his/her duties. There is a $$$ figure involved as well as a CP interview and a flight check. And if the nominated person moves on you do your $$.
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sms777, what has led you to believe that I have 'failed' in aviation ??? And what leads you to believe that I am whistleblowing? The information posted comes off a public .com website. I am sure they knew what they were doing when they published the staff profile.
Werbil
Thanks for that - I have been CP of three operations and CFI of two of them, so I know the drill.
However you suggest:
...that's what I thought too but Reg Services and my local CASA office feel differently. 
Thanks for that - I have been CP of three operations and CFI of two of them, so I know the drill.
However you suggest:
An operator can have an additional chief pilot pre-approved by CASA in case the CP is no longer available to perform his/her duties. There is a $$$ figure involved as well as a CP interview and a flight check...
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You used to be able to have someone "pre approved" to take over for short times, ie leave, LSL whatever. Haven't used that provision for years now, it did require an exam and flight test. Don't know what happens with that now.
From CASA Form 686:
Although only one person may hold the position of Chief Pilot at any one time, an AOC holder may have more than one person assessed for the appointment as a Chief Pilot.
Having another person already assessed for the Chief Pilot position provides the AOC holder with a timely replacement should the current Chief Pilot leave.
Although only one person may hold the position of Chief Pilot at any one time, an AOC holder may have more than one person assessed for the appointment as a Chief Pilot.
Having another person already assessed for the Chief Pilot position provides the AOC holder with a timely replacement should the current Chief Pilot leave.
Adding to the above, the usual reason why operators don't do this is not money - unless they are totally skint anyway. The approval process is not nearly as costly as losing an AOC for lack of a post-holder. The real reason is usually because incumbent chief pilots protect their territory. For some mysterious reason in most companies there is never anyone else as good or suitable as the incumbent. It does mean that the chief pilot often has the boss by the nuts, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on integrity etc.
If CASA did their job they would make it a requirement that the chief pilot always had an understudy being mentored. CASA huffs and puffs about it at audits, but it never seems to happen in real life.
If CASA did their job they would make it a requirement that the chief pilot always had an understudy being mentored. CASA huffs and puffs about it at audits, but it never seems to happen in real life.
No Mr slice.
I was just wondering that you have obviously been aware that this practice has been going around for many years and alive all over the country, and it will continue going on because as you have noticed there is nothing done about it.
So.... why the sudden upset?
I was just wondering that you have obviously been aware that this practice has been going around for many years and alive all over the country, and it will continue going on because as you have noticed there is nothing done about it.
So.... why the sudden upset?
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No actually I have not been aware of this practice - the Sydney basin might be a different kettle of fish but out west and up north CASA seemed to be pretty explicit on that one (to me at least). The company in question would seem to have a CP that is effectively occupying 2 full time jobs concurrently, if in fact he is a airline pilot. Possibly some stretching of the truth as to the airline side of it. And as to failure in my aviation career ?
