Brisbane-based IFR pilots sought for instrument flight time building
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Brisbane-based IFR pilots sought for instrument flight time building
Now that PB has got his CIR/PIFR ticket 
, he's looking to build instrument flight time and experience! 
The great weather in these parts (and a distinct lack of desire/need to fly into really sh!tty conditions at first) means that flying with a safety pilot sounds like a winning proposition
..has the advantage that PIC time can be logged as instrument flight time, and of course having another instrument rated pilot in the RHS means added safety and most likely a better learning experience.. did I mention it should be fun too? 
I'm thinking of a reciprocal arrangement where we share time and expenses, so I would be your safety pilot in exchange for your looking out of the window while I'm wearing foggles.
This exercise would be as economical as it can get; I'm running my Archer at around 150 bucks all up wet per hour (plus landing/ASA charges), and am looking to equally share expenses only; I hold a PPL at this time, so I can not (and anyway don't want to) make money on this.
Any takers, please PM or post. The Archer is technically in top form and probably one of the best equipped in the country, recently upgraded to a Garmin 530 with Stormscope/terrain, digital ADF, two VHF plus (connected) handheld as backup, double VOR/GS/markers, Garmin audio panel, new coaxes & other wiring, backup tablet PC (dual) GPS with moving map & internet (for ppruning on long IMC stretches
), etc.. love my toys 
, he's looking to build instrument flight time and experience! The great weather in these parts (and a distinct lack of desire/need to fly into really sh!tty conditions at first) means that flying with a safety pilot sounds like a winning proposition
..has the advantage that PIC time can be logged as instrument flight time, and of course having another instrument rated pilot in the RHS means added safety and most likely a better learning experience.. did I mention it should be fun too? I'm thinking of a reciprocal arrangement where we share time and expenses, so I would be your safety pilot in exchange for your looking out of the window while I'm wearing foggles.
This exercise would be as economical as it can get; I'm running my Archer at around 150 bucks all up wet per hour (plus landing/ASA charges), and am looking to equally share expenses only; I hold a PPL at this time, so I can not (and anyway don't want to) make money on this.
Any takers, please PM or post.
The Archer is technically in top form and probably one of the best equipped in the country, recently upgraded to a Garmin 530 with Stormscope/terrain, digital ADF, two VHF plus (connected) handheld as backup, double VOR/GS/markers, Garmin audio panel, new coaxes & other wiring, backup tablet PC (dual) GPS with moving map & internet (for ppruning on long IMC stretches), etc.. love my toys
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Goodluck trying, but i would never pay a cent to build IF time..IF time and experience is one of those things that come with time in the aeroplane normally whilst working and being paid to go from A to B..You have the rating why do you still need somebody to go with you and share the cost of running your aeroplane??
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You can only log IF time when you are in IF conditions, ie you can't see the horizon.
Normally this would only be about 10% of the IFR flight as most of the other time you are clear of cloud.
Normally this would only be about 10% of the IFR flight as most of the other time you are clear of cloud.
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No Sh*t Sherlock Owen..
I got the PPL part but having somebody pay half the cost of running his aircraft is similiar to making money..
And my question again if you have the rating why do you need somebody to hold your hand and subsidise the running cost of your aircraft for IF experience...Some people have to much money to throw away thinking they are getting a good deal in aviation..
I got the PPL part but having somebody pay half the cost of running his aircraft is similiar to making money..
And my question again if you have the rating why do you need somebody to hold your hand and subsidise the running cost of your aircraft for IF experience...Some people have to much money to throw away thinking they are getting a good deal in aviation..
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based out of where?
Another FTDK?
Beeroclock, have a proper think about my original post before you allow your hands to touch the keyboard next
I'm looking to log instrument flight time, that's the primary reason and only possible in VMC with a safety pilot (CAR 153 refers ER_ZZZ), and because undoubtedly flying under the IFR in VMC isn't quite the same now is it? I'm not looking for someone to subsidise my flying, I know what my costs are and am prepared to cough up for the experience, I am simply offering someone the opportunity to take advantage of cost-only flying in exchange for being my safety pilot.I will gladly take a safety pilot at no cost if that's what it takes, but of course I'll be logging all the PIC time in that case..
You can only log IF time when you are in IF conditions, ie you can't see the horizon.
Normally this would only be about 10% of the IFR flight as most of the other time you are clear of cloud.
Normally this would only be about 10% of the IFR flight as most of the other time you are clear of cloud.
Sounds like a good idea that you are offering for a PPL in a similar situation or a CPL who has a CIR and is not required to fly IF with his employer but wants to remain current for renewal time.
Have Fun!
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Pb dont sugar coat it..You wanted somebody to pay half of the cost of hopping in your aircraft to sit next to you while you fly round under the hood..simple as that!! Maybe Owen will pay to hold your hand..
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beeroclock,
are you a top gun hour building super instructor, annoyed at missing flight time cause someone else more qualified, more interested and more suitable can do better for free?
just a guess, but i gets that vibe from ya.
in any case, get lost!
no real need to go for a run in the archer as PIC, but am free for the next week or so and would happily give some time to be safety pilot.
are you a top gun hour building super instructor, annoyed at missing flight time cause someone else more qualified, more interested and more suitable can do better for free?
just a guess, but i gets that vibe from ya.
in any case, get lost!
no real need to go for a run in the archer as PIC, but am free for the next week or so and would happily give some time to be safety pilot.
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Holedigger, negative never been an instructor!!
And have better things to do on weekends then pay to baby sit somebody!! You on the other hand sound like you lack a life why dont you pay for the privilige to watch him fly under the hood..
PB just fly your plane and in time your IF experience will come,simple as that..
And have better things to do on weekends then pay to baby sit somebody!! You on the other hand sound like you lack a life why dont you pay for the privilige to watch him fly under the hood..
PB just fly your plane and in time your IF experience will come,simple as that..
And have better things to do on weekends then pay to baby sit somebody!! You on the other hand sound like you lack a life why dont you pay for the privilige to watch him fly under the hood..
If you arnt interested, dont post here. We dont care why you dont like it.
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See the trouble that starts when you offer to do something nice for others and fair and equitable. 
Plankie is not a cheepskate trying to have others fund his flying, in fact he seems to be able to afford plenty on his own!
But we may do some reciprocal stuff some time soon plankie....take the Mrs's out for lunch somewhere as well.
We should take you machine and split the costs........will log about 50% more time per trip, or if we wish to save money and get there quicker.....we'll take mine .
Ok I am a cheeky bugger, will message you!
J
Plankie is not a cheepskate trying to have others fund his flying, in fact he seems to be able to afford plenty on his own!
But we may do some reciprocal stuff some time soon plankie....take the Mrs's out for lunch somewhere as well.
We should take you machine and split the costs........will log about 50% more time per trip
, or if we wish to save money and get there quicker.....we'll take mine .Ok I am a cheeky bugger, will message you!
J
Who would have thought that with such a good handle beeroclock would be so uptight! Oh well, I feel sorry for him.
Sounds like a good plan PB. Nothing wrong with learning from someone more experienced than yourself either, there's always stacks to learn.....unless you're like Beeroclock and had learnt all there was to learn about IFR flying by the end of your initial endorsement. Wicked.
Sounds like a good plan PB. Nothing wrong with learning from someone more experienced than yourself either, there's always stacks to learn.....unless you're like Beeroclock and had learnt all there was to learn about IFR flying by the end of your initial endorsement. Wicked.
Sounds like a smart move plankbender, the only thing that worries me is that the Archer is so well equipped it might not meet the IFR climb gradients!
Never forget with a new IFR rating there is no such thing as a stupid question!
Never forget with a new IFR rating there is no such thing as a stupid question!
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Beeroclock,
for starters, its hole.digger, not holedigger. thanks. i enjoy the 'dot'.
also "negative" is bit of a wank. it'd be a mega typo to get yes and no mixed up. i'd really like to meet you, so i can p**ch and ki*k and f***ing k**l you. hilarious!
more seriously...
slightly off the original post, but, if youre not in VMC, you must be in IMC and operating under the IFR. so, if you dont have the 1000ft/ 1000m/ 5km then you must be logging instrument time. dosent seem to be the general opinion. where does it say otherwise?
please correct me.
for starters, its hole.digger, not holedigger. thanks. i enjoy the 'dot'.
also "negative" is bit of a wank. it'd be a mega typo to get yes and no mixed up. i'd really like to meet you, so i can p**ch and ki*k and f***ing k**l you. hilarious!
more seriously...
slightly off the original post, but, if youre not in VMC, you must be in IMC and operating under the IFR. so, if you dont have the 1000ft/ 1000m/ 5km then you must be logging instrument time. dosent seem to be the general opinion. where does it say otherwise?
please correct me.
hole[DOT!!]digger g'day mate.
To reply to your question in previous post, and yeah, this is a favourite of mine
When I read the CARs, there I find the definition of "Instrument Flight Time"
It says:
"instrument flight time means flight time during which a person is flying an aircraft solely by reference to instruments and without external reference points."
(http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/F31FADE542963390CA25759B001BF5EC/$file/CivilAviation1988Vol1.pdf)
Now anybody, answer me this please... On a dark, but NOT stormy, night how exactly am I flying my aircraft of choice? What "external reference point" am I using? My favourite star, or something else? Instruments, perhaps?
Yet on a clear night I can also quite happily tick all the boxes for VMC, and thus may in fact conduct flight under NGT VFR - yes?
In short, if there is something to see, I will see it (supposedly - that becomes a discussion about "see and avoid", a vigourous debate in itself) but with the lack of an external horizon I AM FLYING:
"solely by reference to instruments" - straight from the very definition of Instrument Flight!!
Can you thus log IMC time during the conduct of IFR flight in VMC? Or better still, can you thus log IMC time during the conduct of VFR flight?
Sorry all, could not resist the chance to beat one of my favourite drums one more time!
CR.
g'day mate.To reply to your question in previous post, and yeah, this is a favourite of mine
When I read the CARs, there I find the definition of "Instrument Flight Time"
It says:
"instrument flight time means flight time during which a person is flying an aircraft solely by reference to instruments and without external reference points."
(http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/F31FADE542963390CA25759B001BF5EC/$file/CivilAviation1988Vol1.pdf)
Now anybody, answer me this please... On a dark, but NOT stormy, night
how exactly am I flying my aircraft of choice? What "external reference point" am I using? My favourite star, or something else? Instruments, perhaps?Yet on a clear night I can also quite happily tick all the boxes for VMC, and thus may in fact conduct flight under NGT VFR - yes?
In short, if there is something to see, I will see it (supposedly - that becomes a discussion about "see and avoid", a vigourous debate in itself) but with the lack of an external horizon I AM FLYING:
"solely by reference to instruments" - straight from the very definition of Instrument Flight!!
Can you thus log IMC time during the conduct of IFR flight in VMC? Or better still, can you thus log IMC time during the conduct of VFR flight?
Sorry all, could not resist the chance to beat one of my favourite drums one more time!
CR.
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Counter-rotation,
Thats an interesting point you've found.
Seems I might have to go back cange some VFR flights into IFR and vice versa haha
Beeroclock, go away, your terrible attitude isn't wanted here. People aspiring to be pilots need all the help and encouragement they can get. You were there once, I was there, we were all there, or ARE there now. My suggestion for you Beeroclock would be to read this thread by JetX
Goodluck PB and I agree, show us a pic of your sleek machine!!
Thats an interesting point you've found.
Seems I might have to go back cange some VFR flights into IFR and vice versa haha
Beeroclock, go away, your terrible attitude isn't wanted here. People aspiring to be pilots need all the help and encouragement they can get. You were there once, I was there, we were all there, or ARE there now. My suggestion for you Beeroclock would be to read this thread by JetX
Goodluck PB
and I agree, show us a pic of your sleek machine!!