Brisbane-based IFR pilots sought for instrument flight time building

[ReverseFlight]

When I am flying under the hood with a safety pilot, I log IF time 0.2 hrs less than the total flight time - that's 0.1 hr for the taxi/takeoff and another 0.1 hr for short finals/landing. I believe most flight schools operate on that basis ?

[PlankBlender]

Thanks everyone for their responses, I was pleasantly surprised how much positive feedback I received.

I'll respond to all mails in the next weeks, sorry if it'll take a while, but I'm sure there'll be many an interesting flight coming out of this one!

ReverseFlight, the 'rules' on logging hood time seem to vary massively, I find it's almost personal preference of the instructor; one guy I flew with was a bit of a stickler and added up the time I actually wore the hood, and that's what he gave me to log, others just told me to log air switch as IF time and VDO as the dual time (which is close enough if you're under the hood in simulated 'visual at minima or overshoot' training conditions), others still just tell you to deduct around 10-20%...

[Jabawocky]

You should have logged a few hours today in the Archer

Would have been 100% IF....including the TAXI time!

J

[Tee Emm]

In multi crew ops to keep current we fly PF eyes in, PNF eyes out and that fulfills the requirements

Of course the PF is strictly under the hood and no peripheral vision? Otherwise you are wasting your time and not loggable if you merely lower the seat and promise not to cheat. Or do what one Virgin Blue captain told his F/O at the end of a trip in CAVOK all the way "put me down for two hours I/F" on the flight deck documentation.

In your case it is better to spend the money flying a decent synthetic trainer where you can practice instrument and navaid failures rather than waste time droning along in CAVOK or the occasional cloud. Having a inoperative AH in the simulator is worth more than straight and level with a few rate one turns in your aircraft. Cheaper too.

[porch monkey]

And Virgin Blue captains would be the only ones to do that now, wouldn't they?

[PlankBlender]

Or do what one Virgin Blue captain told his F/O at the end of a trip in CAVOK all the way "put me down for two hours I/F" on the flight deck documentation.

I find that practice a little dangerous given an entry in a personal logbook which this amounts to is in fact a statutory declaration, and of course making false statements in one of those carries rather hard penalties.. it's too easy for someone who is not sympathetic to the liar to take note and dob in the offending pilot. Proving such a lie could be comparatively easy if for example it was clear from weather reports and forecasts that it was clear along the flight path, and significant IF time was logged..

[Jabawocky]

Hows the leaks inthe Piper too?...YBAF would be a little damp today.

[PlankBlender]

Uh don't get me started

I sponged an inch or so of water from behind the seats yesterday, and expect at least the same probably more tomorrow.. I've ordered the cover because with this silly rain the carpet is going to be moldy very soon, and it's of course less than healthy for the avionics too

[Jabawocky]

Hangar for sale at YCAB..........

Not sure who owns it but I can find out for you if you want me to.

[framer]

Chucking a dehumidifier in the ol Archer for a couple of hours next time you can get it into a hangar will save you a bit of grief I reckon PB.
About the Virgin Captain....I don't think it would be very easy to prove that he didn't fly for two hours soley by reference to instruments. Might be able to ask him some difficult questions about maintaining a lookout for traffic during that two hours though....even though looking out is a waste of time in the cruise in a 737. Heeeere fishy fishy fishy

[ReverseFlight]

PlankBender/framer, I believe in some countries like China, big jet crew habitually log full IF time for the entirety of their flights (it's kind of the industry practice there) but any recruiter/potential employer will immediately see through that ! I suppose it only works in China though.

[Death Pencil]

Hopefully this clears up some of the issue regarding logging of IF;

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Pilot Log Books

('Logging of Flight Time'/'Instrument Flight Time')


Whether you agree with it or not might be a different issue

[Stationair8]

So do you guys log it as night-time when it's a full moon? Or do you put that down in the day column, because it not really dark is it?

[framer]

I log night if I have my sunglasses on. Anything else is in contravention of the man I'm cool regulations and therefore illegal. If there is a full moon I have a special column for moon time which is technically special vfr.

[Dog One]

But you can't operate VFR in Class A airspace.

[The Green Goblin]

But you can't operate VFR in Class A airspace.

But you can operate under the IFR in VMC conditions

[framer]

But you can't operate VFR in Class A airspace.

But you can operate under the IFR in VMC conditions

True....I once was operating under the IFR and requested a visual approach transitioning from IMC to VMC when we lost a PMC.....just logged it as moon time and nobody questioned it.

[overhere]

Planebender - drop me a PM if you're still looking for someone to help - I'm happy to take a ride in the Archer now & then.

[FGD135]

Counter-rotation,

You said:

... but with the lack of an external horizon I AM FLYING:

"solely by reference to instruments" - straight from the very definition of Instrument Flight!!

Not correct. If you are getting some cues from the stars - even just one star - then you are not flying solely by reference to instruments.

You may think that a little pedantic, but even without a visible horizon you can still be picking up substantial cues from the stars. Just one little star - provided you are aware of it - is enough to mean you are not flying solely by reference to instruments.

My thoughts on this issue:

The rules state that, if flying in VMC, even if flying solely by reference to instruments, we cannot log the time as IF.

But I reckon the rules are wrong. Under some night conditions, although you are in VMC conditions, you cannot tell that you are. You have no external references at all (no lights on the ground, no stars, no moon) - which means that you are flying solely by reference to instruments - so should be logging it as such.

I reckon that you're not in VMC unless you can see that you are.

[framer]

Just one little star - provided you are aware of it - is enough to mean you are not flying solely by reference to instruments.

Bollox. If you start orienting yourself based on one star in an otherwise featurless, horizonless sky , you might just find out it's a ship before you hit the deck....half the battle is to not use it to orient yourself