CPL - command hour building
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CPL - command hour building
Hi guys, just after a bit of help/advice from those who have 'been there-done that'...
Im completing the 200hr CPL- have been getting there slowly over the past 5 yrs.. Currently have approx 140 total (60 command)..
I understand I will need appox 40hrs command, which will leave me about 20hrs dual for CPL Navs, gen. handling, etc...
What is the cheapest way to go about finishing it off?... seeing as though I'm on a shoestring budget... ok ok I'm also being a tightass...lol..
Some thoughts are:
1) renting from an aircraft owner privately? how do I go about finding aircraft for hire privately?
2) buzzing around in a c150
3) giving ultralights a go? i'd imagine rental is cheaper than a c152?- these hours will count right??
4) any other ideas?
I'm not really worried about aircraft type, its all the same navigation, just that I will get there slower than a faster type...
Any tips & advice would be appreciated...
Cheers!
Im completing the 200hr CPL- have been getting there slowly over the past 5 yrs.. Currently have approx 140 total (60 command)..
I understand I will need appox 40hrs command, which will leave me about 20hrs dual for CPL Navs, gen. handling, etc...
What is the cheapest way to go about finishing it off?... seeing as though I'm on a shoestring budget... ok ok I'm also being a tightass...lol..
Some thoughts are:
1) renting from an aircraft owner privately? how do I go about finding aircraft for hire privately?
2) buzzing around in a c150
3) giving ultralights a go? i'd imagine rental is cheaper than a c152?- these hours will count right??
4) any other ideas?
I'm not really worried about aircraft type, its all the same navigation, just that I will get there slower than a faster type...
Any tips & advice would be appreciated...
Cheers!
You could go on a trip with friends and share the cost. Or you could do what I did and front up to an aeroclub with a lump of cash and offer to take their Piper Cub around the country for a few weeks. They were happy enough to get some flying for the machine and gave me a discount. I managed to avoid crashing it and had a great time.
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This may or may not help Prop when I was in your situation I washed alott of aeroplanes, and worked for a aerial ag mob for two (cotton) seasons and was able to get some time in a cherokee and a 172.
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G'day flog,
That's right, you can count gliding time towards your ATPL (up to 750hrs). Generally most clubs around AUS hire out their gliders for 60cpm and launch costs are from $6-40 for 1500-2000'. Often there is also a max charge for the day, starting from $80-150/day. If the wx is good, you can stay up for over 10hrs, but sadly the winter has just started and flights of around 3-5hrs are generally possible.
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That's right, you can count gliding time towards your ATPL (up to 750hrs). Generally most clubs around AUS hire out their gliders for 60cpm and launch costs are from $6-40 for 1500-2000'. Often there is also a max charge for the day, starting from $80-150/day. If the wx is good, you can stay up for over 10hrs, but sadly the winter has just started and flights of around 3-5hrs are generally possible.
go_soaring! instead
grab a map of australia, throw 5 darts at it, ply connect the dots, you have your flight plan. Then go get a C150 and cut loose. remember its not how far you fly, but how long that it takes you to get there
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Not trying to undermine the experience and skill required in gliding (because it is an art), but how would prospective employers look upon your experience/logbook when you have 50 hours of gliding instead of 50 hours of navigating PIC in a plane with an engine.
Yes, the hours count towards your licence, but would they count towards a real-world job.....
Yes, the hours count towards your licence, but would they count towards a real-world job.....
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Could try meat bombing or glider towing on you ppl.
You would be better off jumping in a technam or other type of Rec AC than the normal GA types, this will save you a bundel. Another one is do some more ratings ie NVFR etc, If you are paying to hire an AC might as well get the most bang for your buck.
Also don't over look net working you might be able to find someone who has there own 172 for business that you may be able to convince them to let you fly them to where ever they are going.
I scraped up some cash together and did a tour of the country, was great fun.
You would be better off jumping in a technam or other type of Rec AC than the normal GA types, this will save you a bundel. Another one is do some more ratings ie NVFR etc, If you are paying to hire an AC might as well get the most bang for your buck.
Also don't over look net working you might be able to find someone who has there own 172 for business that you may be able to convince them to let you fly them to where ever they are going.
I scraped up some cash together and did a tour of the country, was great fun.
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Have a look in the CAR's but i remember somewhere that glider time or ultra light time can contribute to total time but not sure about command time...
i contempletaed it when i couldn't find a job and wanted to keep the hours ticking over
i contempletaed it when i couldn't find a job and wanted to keep the hours ticking over
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Thanks for the info so far guys...
all good tips... i'll have a further look into RA as this seems to be a good saving...
also keen to rent privately from aircraft owners.. any directory on this online, or all 'word of mouth'?..
Cheers..
all good tips... i'll have a further look into RA as this seems to be a good saving...
also keen to rent privately from aircraft owners.. any directory on this online, or all 'word of mouth'?..
Cheers..
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I don't doubt that, as I said it is an art. However, when a prospective employer is looking at a 250hr pilots resume, is he going to be wishing that the few hours the pilot does have flying, that it had been in a plane, with passengers, making PIC decisions, navigating? ...Or in a glider (as you so aptly put, practicing forced landings)
Is it going to matter? Do they care?
I don't doubt that, as I said it is an art. However, when a prospective employer is looking at a 250hr pilots resume, is he going to be wishing that the few hours the pilot does have flying, that it had been in a plane, with passengers, making PIC decisions, navigating? ...Or in a glider (as you so aptly put, practicing forced landings)
Is it going to matter? Do they care?
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thanks all for ur input...
at this stage i'll try to get my hands on a c150 privately around aug/sep and go for a trip around the country...
Cheers all!
at this stage i'll try to get my hands on a c150 privately around aug/sep and go for a trip around the country...
Cheers all!
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Sully in fact was asked if his gliding experience was of use during the accident and his reply was a definite "No".
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....A glide from FL410....
Yes, glider experience was critical to the safe landing because it afforded him the knowledge that to glide the furthest, one had to adapt the best glide speed....who woulda thunk it. 
Captain Pearson, however, was an experienced glider pilot, which gave him familiarity with some flying techniques almost never used by commercial pilots. In order to have the maximum range and therefore the largest choice of possible landing site, he needed to fly the 767 at a speed known as the "best glide ratio speed". Wikipedia
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Be aware of your avaliable endurance in a C150/152. Shortly after gaining my PPL I set of on a trip up the east coast in a C152. You will be forever refuelling. If you were to head out to central aus/top end/kimberlies there may be instances where you can't find fuel on long legs which may push your endurance.
As mentioned previously. Gather a few friends and hire a C182/PA28R. There are plenty of these avaliable for hire and will travel much further/faster. Not to mention much more comfortable!
As mentioned previously. Gather a few friends and hire a C182/PA28R. There are plenty of these avaliable for hire and will travel much further/faster. Not to mention much more comfortable!
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Yes, glider experience was critical to the safe landing because it afforded him the knowledge that to glide the furthest, one had to adapt the best glide speed....who woulda thunk it.
I watched the Air Crash Investigation take on the Gimli Glider - they spoke about sideslipping as though it was a manoeuver never before tried by anyone except Chuck Yeager (not to take anything away from Mr Pearson's brilliant efforts).
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I watched the Air Crash Investigation take on the Gimli Glider - they spoke about sideslipping as though it was a manoeuver never before tried by anyone except Chuck Yeager (not to take anything away from Mr Pearson's brilliant efforts).
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where to go?
Hi guys... have booked my annual leave (3 wks this Oct), and hoping to get 20-30 command hours in on a trip in a 172 or possibly a 210...
after looking at the 'photos' thread, have noticed some quite interesting scenery and airstrips and have my thinking and drinking cap on!
so, am after some ideas for places to go...
* will be travelling with 1 or 2 mates.
*departing from syd basin.
* looking for a mix of coastal and inland stopovers..
*some places with a good pub to drink (and stay at) for non-fly days would be good too!..
if anyone has done a trip 20-30hrs ex syd, let me know some ideas!
look fwd to your suggestions!
cheers
after looking at the 'photos' thread, have noticed some quite interesting scenery and airstrips and have my thinking and drinking cap on!
so, am after some ideas for places to go...
* will be travelling with 1 or 2 mates.
*departing from syd basin.
* looking for a mix of coastal and inland stopovers..
*some places with a good pub to drink (and stay at) for non-fly days would be good too!..
if anyone has done a trip 20-30hrs ex syd, let me know some ideas!
look fwd to your suggestions!
cheers