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There are now two english language tests.
First, for the student licence, not only does the CFI have to be satisfied the student can communicate in English (as has always been the case) but this has to be backed up by documentary proof of eg graduating from school in Australia or equivalent, worked three of the last five years in Australia, a stst dec to say the same in the case of a lack of documentation,or an IELTS test. (International English Language Testing System). (See CASA form 639) And oh boy don't we get a lot of grumbles from native English speakers about THAT.
The test for ICAO english proficiency is done at the END of the course, around flight test time, for the very reason that it is AVIATION english which the student can't be expected to be very familiar with until towards the end of their training.
But if course TT wouldn't know any of that. I thought I was watching an episode of Frontline!
First, for the student licence, not only does the CFI have to be satisfied the student can communicate in English (as has always been the case) but this has to be backed up by documentary proof of eg graduating from school in Australia or equivalent, worked three of the last five years in Australia, a stst dec to say the same in the case of a lack of documentation,or an IELTS test. (International English Language Testing System). (See CASA form 639) And oh boy don't we get a lot of grumbles from native English speakers about THAT.
The test for ICAO english proficiency is done at the END of the course, around flight test time, for the very reason that it is AVIATION english which the student can't be expected to be very familiar with until towards the end of their training.
But if course TT wouldn't know any of that. I thought I was watching an episode of Frontline!
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I did my English test a day before my CPL flight test late last year.
I love TT. Their well researched, factual and brilliant stories are riveting....if they ever did one
Now only if they had the mental ability to do so.
I've flown at ymen for ages. I've had to repeat my callsign a few times in the past.
Everybody miks mistooks sometime in their life, especially students when they get nervous or overwhelmed.
Anyway, that rushed call at the end of the story was an Air Ambulance King Air.
Look at the back cover of the ERSA for a pic of its callsign cousin.
I love TT. Their well researched, factual and brilliant stories are riveting....if they ever did one
Now only if they had the mental ability to do so.
I've flown at ymen for ages. I've had to repeat my callsign a few times in the past.
Everybody miks mistooks sometime in their life, especially students when they get nervous or overwhelmed.
Anyway, that rushed call at the end of the story was an Air Ambulance King Air.
Look at the back cover of the ERSA for a pic of its callsign cousin.
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Thanks for the post , those of us who are in bed by the time TT comes on now only have to look at PPrune. Great post THANKS.
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So I should not fly in India, or South-East Asia, or China, or anywhere else where the predominately local pilots will find my Australian version of English difficult to understand. In fact, in my experience it is US ATC who sometimes have the most difficulty in interpreting my ICAO standard radio calls. Is TT suggesting that, in the interests of safety, Australian pilots should be banned from flying overseas?
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Is TT suggesting that, in the interests of safety, Australian pilots should be banned from flying overseas?
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On the subject of foreign pilots....why do the instructors at China Southern insist on sending their students on Navs that include Koolyanobbing as a waypoint? It's cruel.
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Atleast the English Proficiency Test is based using the VHF band. Now, Add an Accent plus a HF Transmission from the Outback of W.A using a standard G.A HF unit. - Who would pass that?
TQ, I presume you too have chuckled at ATS trying to give you a clearance at FL320 but struggling to pronounce Tjuntjunjarra....
I remember one night, after three aborted attempts sounding something like an old steam train, I received, "Cleared to Tango Juliet Uniform, Flight level 320..."
I remember one night, after three aborted attempts sounding something like an old steam train, I received, "Cleared to Tango Juliet Uniform, Flight level 320..."
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I've noticed the Flightwatch guys are a lot better with Tjuntjun, I guess they get more practice.
FL320??...my ship only gets to FL300.....and very reluctantly.
FL320??...my ship only gets to FL300.....and very reluctantly.
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even some locals have trouble with some of the easier ones... Like Tjukayirla, Tjakarly. Kookynie is always good for a giggle. funny how they are just a normal place name for others of us locals.
funny how they are just a normal place name for others of us locals.
