Comp Air 8 Experimental Skydive Aircraft ???
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That's right NNB, BUT you are talking about a Private Operation.
As an example as I said earlier, any company can own and operate an experimental aircraft as I understand it carrying around non-paying passengers or employees... so if you are not operating for hire or reward which must be the case for PJE then an experimental aircraft can be used. ??? The only issue I see is that if the Parachute Mob dictates that a certified aircraft must be used.
Same as the PVT versus Commercial Ops argument for Para ops, the same for experimental, you can't fly them for hire or reward.
At worst, no tandem ops for non members in the experimental aircraft on the face of it. ??? I can't see any regs saying otherwise.
I would liken this to the traffic watch helicopters operating over the CBD at NIGHT with SINGLE engine. You can't do that in charter, but can because it's a private aircraft. No CPL required either.
As an example as I said earlier, any company can own and operate an experimental aircraft as I understand it carrying around non-paying passengers or employees... so if you are not operating for hire or reward which must be the case for PJE then an experimental aircraft can be used. ??? The only issue I see is that if the Parachute Mob dictates that a certified aircraft must be used.
Same as the PVT versus Commercial Ops argument for Para ops, the same for experimental, you can't fly them for hire or reward.
At worst, no tandem ops for non members in the experimental aircraft on the face of it. ??? I can't see any regs saying otherwise.
I would liken this to the traffic watch helicopters operating over the CBD at NIGHT with SINGLE engine. You can't do that in charter, but can because it's a private aircraft. No CPL required either.
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you're on the right track with PJE in PVT category BUT I cannot see any skydive operation buying one just for "fun jumpers" when they make their money out of non licenced jumpers. A mob in SE Qld is pushing hard for the Comp Air to be approved but so far have run up against a brick CASA wall. As they say - watch this space for further developments...!!
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Extract from the proposed draft regs relation to operation of aircraft involved in parachute ops
General Conditions
6.1 A drop aircraft when dropping parachutists must be operated in accordance with the APF Jump Pilot’s Handbook.
6.2 A pilot in command of a drop aircraft must hold an APF Jump Pilot’s Certificate.
6.3 A drop aircraft that is not a Class A aircraft must be maintained as if it were a Class B charter aircraft and must have a current maintenance release issued in that category.
6.4 Applications for exemptions to carry fire extinguishes may be made for certain type aircraft i.e. C172, C182, C206
6.5 Any alteration of the APF Jump Pilot’s Handbook must be notified to CASA for acceptance.
6.6 If CASA does not accept the alteration, it must notify the APF.
There is a fair bit more to the doc but mostly it's about making the pilot responsible for jump operations & hence how they can screw the pilot in the event something goes wrong
General Conditions
6.1 A drop aircraft when dropping parachutists must be operated in accordance with the APF Jump Pilot’s Handbook.
6.2 A pilot in command of a drop aircraft must hold an APF Jump Pilot’s Certificate.
6.3 A drop aircraft that is not a Class A aircraft must be maintained as if it were a Class B charter aircraft and must have a current maintenance release issued in that category.
6.4 Applications for exemptions to carry fire extinguishes may be made for certain type aircraft i.e. C172, C182, C206
6.5 Any alteration of the APF Jump Pilot’s Handbook must be notified to CASA for acceptance.
6.6 If CASA does not accept the alteration, it must notify the APF.
There is a fair bit more to the doc but mostly it's about making the pilot responsible for jump operations & hence how they can screw the pilot in the event something goes wrong
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CompAir in Legal Battle Within Itself!
This is just a general warning, since this post discusses the Comp Air product. 
I was informed today, that their
agent filed for court action due to misappropriation (nice word for thieft) of funds that dealer sent Comp Air's CEO name last year and his only trying to get it returned. Poor bastard.
Around $90,000 USD worth of missing and paid for parts, which have been outstanding around 12 months now! Sh-t, thank god I purchased a Jab instead!
Not bad considering they work on the same side, but interestingly there are now customers coming out of the woodwork with similar issues!
I've seen all this before unfortunately, it'll close down Comp Air for sure, their US team will probably end up in jail or having nothing except the shirts on their back whilst customers and the poor guy looses out too.
The machine is sound, management is shady though,
least thats my expereince, so if anyone is seeking to continue getting one their machines be warned, unless you have a cool $100g's to 'drop on the ground' give them a very wide berth. Go with a proven and stable company, not these shady drop kicks I'm reading about.
I'll let you know how it goes, but it's looks bad, real bad and even if you have one to sell 2nd hand, getting parts will be the problem, basically they are lemons now and have lost value overnight.
The joys of GA and the Experimential world we live in or is it just Comp Air
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I was informed today, that their
agent filed for court action due to misappropriation (nice word for thieft) of funds that dealer sent Comp Air's CEO name last year and his only trying to get it returned. Poor bastard.Around $90,000 USD worth of missing and paid for parts, which have been outstanding around 12 months now! Sh-t, thank god I purchased a Jab instead!
Not bad considering they work on the same side, but interestingly there are now customers coming out of the woodwork with similar issues!
I've seen all this before unfortunately, it'll close down Comp Air for sure, their US team will probably end up in jail or having nothing except the shirts on their back whilst customers and the poor
guy looses out too.The machine is sound, management is shady though,
least thats my expereince, so if anyone is seeking to continue getting one their machines be warned, unless you have a cool $100g's to 'drop on the ground' give them a very wide berth. Go with a proven and stable company, not these shady drop kicks I'm reading about.I'll let you know how it goes, but it's looks bad, real bad and even if you have one to sell 2nd hand, getting parts will be the problem, basically they are lemons now and have lost value overnight.
The joys of GA and the Experimential world we live in or is it just Comp Air
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Hi Yank04,
Funny you mentioned that because I just heard the very same thing over here! It appears the CEO has ripped people off before it seems, takes deposits and spends it on other than what it was meant for, then has the gore to tell customers his "broke" or "due to finical hardships we can't supply parts"
Trouble is, they are still trying to get deposits of a guy in South Africa, I've warned him off, hopefully I've saved his $200g's
and now his buying a C208!
Mr CEO of Comp Air, R-N, be prepared for an industry backlash! The FAA are on your case!
The world of IT is way bigger than you!
Tx Yank04 for the headsup
Funny you mentioned that because I just heard the very same thing over here! It appears the CEO has ripped people off before it seems, takes deposits and spends it on other than what it was meant for, then has the gore to tell customers his "broke" or "due to finical hardships we can't supply parts"
Trouble is, they are still trying to get deposits of a guy in South Africa, I've warned him off, hopefully I've saved his $200g's
and now his buying a C208!Mr CEO of Comp Air, R-N
, be prepared for an industry backlash! The FAA are on your case! The world of IT is way bigger than you!
Tx Yank04 for the headsup
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Yankie, please ensure that your "facts" are accurate before posting further as certain people that you speak of are reading this thread and have already identified areas where your alleged facts are incorrect. I would exercise caution with your choice of words.
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hello VH-XXX
Tx for sending me that swift kick.
That guy you speak of is someone I actually know, and yes probably should not have spilled the beans as it were, so thanks.
However I still say companies like Comp Air, should not be allowed to trade if they rip people off.
CYL
Yank
Tx for sending me that swift kick.
That guy you speak of is someone I actually know, and yes probably should not have spilled the beans as it were, so thanks.
However I still say companies like Comp Air, should not be allowed to trade if they rip people off.
CYL
Yank
