LAME question: Window seals on unpressurised singles
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Connaught I have spent many, MANY 1000s of $ correcting previous work done by 'engineers' over the years. What do you think put that crap in my vertical stab?
LAMEs range in skills and talent from awful to excellent just like EVERY other profession.
So perhaps just tone it down a tad...lest us aeroplane owners start recalling every horror story we have ever experienced with ****e LAMEs costing us cubic $ or making premeditated attempts on our lives
LAMEs range in skills and talent from awful to excellent just like EVERY other profession.
So perhaps just tone it down a tad...lest us aeroplane owners start recalling every horror story we have ever experienced with ****e LAMEs costing us cubic $ or making premeditated attempts on our lives
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Interesting discussion here, I've asked my current LAME also and he seconded the tank sealant idea, in his experience that has worked best in the past. Again a messy job, but apparently worthwhile.
Connaught, the plan had been all along not to take the windows out, I didn't want to make the job that big if it wasn't totally necessary.
I'm in two minds at the moment, I'm leaning towards the 'neutral cure not so messy sealant' option in conjunction with a cover, with the cover of course having additional benefits protecting the interior from fading and the avionics from heating up too much on a hot QLD day..
Connaught, the plan had been all along not to take the windows out, I didn't want to make the job that big if it wasn't totally necessary.
I'm in two minds at the moment, I'm leaning towards the 'neutral cure not so messy sealant' option in conjunction with a cover, with the cover of course having additional benefits protecting the interior from fading and the avionics from heating up too much on a hot QLD day..
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How much is your Archer worth, 50 - 70k? I find it difficult to comprehend aircraft owners that are prepared to "save" maybe a few dollars on what is, in real terms, a very expensive "investment". You have been given some very good advise here. I would use the 1428 myself despite the extra cost. At the end of the day you would probably save <$100 in
an overall cost of how may thousands of dollars?
an overall cost of how may thousands of dollars?
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Originally Posted by Chimbu Chuckles
...lest us aeroplane owners start recalling every horror story we have ever experienced with ****e LAMEs costing us cubic $ or making premeditated attempts on our lives...
There'd be some colourful reading (and comments!) in a thread like that I reckon!
lest us aeroplane owners start recalling every horror story we have ever experienced with ****e LAMEs costing us cubic $ or making premeditated attempts on our lives
What is your profession?
Grandpa Aerotart
KP yes I do know some good LAMEs...lots in fact. My post was purely aimed at connaught who seemed to be having more of a 'go' at the thread starter than seemed reasonable.
I have been flying for near 30 yrs and professionally since the mid 80s and have owned two aircraft. I am currently restoring my Bonanza ground up, and I DO MEAN ground up!!
As a part of that process I am doing the vast majority of the work and am essentially 'apprenticed' to an extremely good LAME and I count several others as close personal friends.
Having said that I have been exposed to some absolutely horrendous LAMEs over the years both in my professional life and as an aircraft owner.
You're not suggesting that LAMEs defy human nature and are all fantastic are you? That would be like me saying every professional pilot I have ever known met very high standards...I could not say that and keep a straight face.
If you want just one example of gross stupid go back to the first page and view my first post in this thread. There is a picture of the internals of my vertical stabilser as I de-mated it with a glob of silastic either done by a LAME or signed off by a LAME to stop wire chaffe when the rubber grommet is close by...I had to buy a new rib as a result...the front of that rib is just not there anymore. There have been many other instances where the LAME's that work on my aircraft now have shown me stuff done over the last 38 years by LAMEs or signed off by LAMEs that just beggars belief...even they shuffle their feet uncomfortably..another example? When we removed my horizontal stab last year we found it had been off once before and when reinstalled they used the wrong bolts. 26, from memory, new bolts ordered...all of $2 each
I remember picking up my 185 in the early 90s from having a 100 hrly...all set to go they said...what are those bits laying on the floor over there? Come back in 3 hrs they said.
Once I was a CP of a charter operation and had to deal all the time with a 3rd party maintenance organisation...got a phone call from the head LAME one day when one of my pilots was there picking up our Islander..."Your pilot just threw things at me and called me a useless fcking cnt!!"
Really
...he's usually pretty laid back...I'll talk to him.
Turns out the broken seat back that was written up was pencil whipped, along with a bunch of other write ups, and had collapsed on him on takeoff...just airborne...I rang the fella back and called him a ufc as well.
They fixed the seat.
Then there were the LAMEs at an airline I worked for flying F28s who not once but twice caused, through shoddy maintenance, main gear legs to snap off - YES SNAP OFF - on landing...not me flying them thank fck...but I was flying it the day we almost lost it because they hadn't refitted the wheel speed generators after a gear leg change - dual inspections all signed off of course...no wheel speed generators means no brakes at all on that side at any speed over 11kts....made for a REAL interesting landing.
So as I said in my last post...LAMEs run the the same gambit of human failings as every other profession...some are brilliant, most are very good, and some would be a waste of urine...so (connaught) be a bit more gentle with questions from us dumb owner pilots.
Thread drift off.
Edit; And just for balance I have also worked at companies with truly first class LAMEs, both GA and airline, where you REALLY could not fault the care and feeding of the company aircraft
I have been flying for near 30 yrs and professionally since the mid 80s and have owned two aircraft. I am currently restoring my Bonanza ground up, and I DO MEAN ground up!!
As a part of that process I am doing the vast majority of the work and am essentially 'apprenticed' to an extremely good LAME and I count several others as close personal friends.
Having said that I have been exposed to some absolutely horrendous LAMEs over the years both in my professional life and as an aircraft owner.
You're not suggesting that LAMEs defy human nature and are all fantastic are you? That would be like me saying every professional pilot I have ever known met very high standards...I could not say that and keep a straight face.
If you want just one example of gross stupid go back to the first page and view my first post in this thread. There is a picture of the internals of my vertical stabilser as I de-mated it with a glob of silastic either done by a LAME or signed off by a LAME to stop wire chaffe when the rubber grommet is close by...I had to buy a new rib as a result...the front of that rib is just not there anymore. There have been many other instances where the LAME's that work on my aircraft now have shown me stuff done over the last 38 years by LAMEs or signed off by LAMEs that just beggars belief...even they shuffle their feet uncomfortably..another example? When we removed my horizontal stab last year we found it had been off once before and when reinstalled they used the wrong bolts. 26, from memory, new bolts ordered...all of $2 each
I remember picking up my 185 in the early 90s from having a 100 hrly...all set to go they said...what are those bits laying on the floor over there? Come back in 3 hrs they said.
Once I was a CP of a charter operation and had to deal all the time with a 3rd party maintenance organisation...got a phone call from the head LAME one day when one of my pilots was there picking up our Islander..."Your pilot just threw things at me and called me a useless fcking cnt!!"
Really
...he's usually pretty laid back...I'll talk to him.Turns out the broken seat back that was written up was pencil whipped, along with a bunch of other write ups, and had collapsed on him on takeoff...just airborne...I rang the fella back and called him a ufc as well.
They fixed the seat.
Then there were the LAMEs at an airline I worked for flying F28s who not once but twice caused, through shoddy maintenance, main gear legs to snap off - YES SNAP OFF - on landing...not me flying them thank fck...but I was flying it the day we almost lost it because they hadn't refitted the wheel speed generators after a gear leg change - dual inspections all signed off of course...no wheel speed generators means no brakes at all on that side at any speed over 11kts....made for a REAL interesting landing.
So as I said in my last post...LAMEs run the the same gambit of human failings as every other profession...some are brilliant, most are very good, and some would be a waste of urine...so (connaught) be a bit more gentle with questions from us dumb owner pilots.
Thread drift off.
Edit; And just for balance I have also worked at companies with truly first class LAMEs, both GA and airline, where you REALLY could not fault the care and feeding of the company aircraft
Last edited by Chimbu chuckles; 20th Apr 2009 at 16:35.
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Arnold E how are you concluding that I'm out to save a buck? 
I just happen to be one of those owners who has a bit of time on their hands and who loves to learn about all things aviation. The advice I get here is invaluable, there's a great big pool of experience out there that would be dumb to ignore..
for all the advice!
I just happen to be one of those owners who has a bit of time on their hands and who loves to learn about all things aviation. The advice I get here is invaluable, there's a great big pool of experience out there that would be dumb to ignore..
for all the advice!
chuckles, all good. I know as a LAME that I've seen some work that rates so badly and shoddy, that I wished sometimes I had dobbed in people. This industry seems to attract its fair share of idiots, so I just stay clear of the ones I'm unsure of. When I carry out a 100, I really don't trust anyone's work, and pull off all panels necessary, unless I did it last time. I'm fussy, but as you say, some are not :/
