Drug and alcohol testing commenced at Moorabbin
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Any idea where we would be tested if stopped say walking down a concourse at Sydney Airport? Do they whip out a trolley in front of our valued guests???
Did you happen to find out which company these people who conducted the testing at Moorabbin were from?? I understand they are not CASA staff?
Did you happen to find out which company these people who conducted the testing at Moorabbin were from?? I understand they are not CASA staff?
To sort this mess out quickly I believe the best result would be some airline crew, preferably on an overnight away from home base, are tested and happen to be involved in these "false positives" read screw ups. The cost will affect the airlines and they won't be happy.
Accommodate 100 + pax, feed them, transport them and for what??
There is verty little I or you can do on our own.
CASA contractors, please check me and my crew. there are 6 of us, with some luck one of us will receive a "false positive" = a delayed or cancelled flight. watch QF jump up and down then!!
Accommodate 100 + pax, feed them, transport them and for what??
There is verty little I or you can do on our own.
CASA contractors, please check me and my crew. there are 6 of us, with some luck one of us will receive a "false positive" = a delayed or cancelled flight. watch QF jump up and down then!!
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There was never any intention of the testers being CASA staff. In all the CASA seminars I have been to, it was made known that they were contractors.
I don't know where the expectation came from that they were to be CASA staff.
I don't know where the expectation came from that they were to be CASA staff.
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fight fire with fire
I'm going to sit and wait with my 100% no OTC attitude and wait for a false positive. The next step will be a letter from a lawyer/barrister ect.
Looking forward to the money this one could generate.
Looking forward to the money this one could generate.
There seems to be an element of incompetence common to the false positive and the appalling errors in the recent CASA DAMP mailout; it is almost as if the producers of the 'calendar' (and the CASA proof readers/acceptors of this rubbish) were under the influence of drugs/alcohol themselves!
The scope for legal redress in this situation appears great. Any 'flying lawyers' out there, what are your thoughts?
The scope for legal redress in this situation appears great. Any 'flying lawyers' out there, what are your thoughts?
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What the hell next...........?
Yeah Folks, I knew it was coming and you got me started.
I've been kicking around aerodromes and airports since the good old days of the sixties, you know, back in the days when we could all be trusted.
I don't think any accidents or incidents that I can recall reading about in all the crash comics were caused by drugs or alcohol. I mean really, how many seriously professional pilots pop drugs or drink within the designated time frame before flying?
This is just more bureaucratic Bull....t that treats the vast majority of us like fools because a tiny minority if any, are suspected of doing the wrong thing.
It's just the way society is going and I'm fed up with putting up with stupid laws that are imposed under the guise of more safety!
Too bad about the person with the false positive, what protection do we have against this?
I've been kicking around aerodromes and airports since the good old days of the sixties, you know, back in the days when we could all be trusted.
I don't think any accidents or incidents that I can recall reading about in all the crash comics were caused by drugs or alcohol. I mean really, how many seriously professional pilots pop drugs or drink within the designated time frame before flying?
This is just more bureaucratic Bull....t that treats the vast majority of us like fools because a tiny minority if any, are suspected of doing the wrong thing.
It's just the way society is going and I'm fed up with putting up with stupid laws that are imposed under the guise of more safety!
Too bad about the person with the false positive, what protection do we have against this?
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Didn't this all start with the Hamilton Is PA32 prang? Seems the pilot was allegedly seen three weeks prior walking past someone smoking a joint and there was some residual in the tox report. Same report from memory said it was insignificant and had no bearing on the outcome of the flight.
We are all guilty until proven innocent.
We are all guilty until proven innocent.
The Hamilton Island accident may have hasd an impact, how ever I believe QF particularly had a large influence on this. They have wanted to screen employees for quite a while, this finally allows them to.
Let them reap what they sew I reckon. I will seek out a screener, pick me pick me and hope it reads "false positive".
Same situation with security screening, let them do their job, take your time and let the events unfold. Delay code, "security screeing" I still go home happy. Why geet all bent out of shape about this stuff. let the management team respond to their own screw ups.
Moronic managers who are incapable of solving issues using common sense and discussions.
I do feel for the small operators though, and thanks to the originator of this thread. Interesting info.
Let them reap what they sew I reckon. I will seek out a screener, pick me pick me and hope it reads "false positive".
Same situation with security screening, let them do their job, take your time and let the events unfold. Delay code, "security screeing" I still go home happy. Why geet all bent out of shape about this stuff. let the management team respond to their own screw ups.
Moronic managers who are incapable of solving issues using common sense and discussions.
I do feel for the small operators though, and thanks to the originator of this thread. Interesting info.
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Why geet all bent out of shape about this stuff.
No more expenses on OTC drugs.
Long term less build up of toxic chemicals in your system.
The only people this will hurt will be the operators dealing with increased sick leave and the screening authority dealing with multiple legal issues due to false positives. Screen all you like boys.
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I'd be really surprised if a false positive, in itself, left the regulator open to litigation.
Now if the regulator has the TV & print cameras at the ready to publicise their own effectiveness and having splashed some one's identity across the media, and subsequently there's a false positive, they (the regulator) might have something to worry about.
Now if the regulator has the TV & print cameras at the ready to publicise their own effectiveness and having splashed some one's identity across the media, and subsequently there's a false positive, they (the regulator) might have something to worry about.
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Depends on the scenario I suppose Claret - sounds like the one at Moorrabin is a start.
If it happens to me and causes me a loss of income or a tarnished reptuation then I'll let lawyers work it out.
If it happens to me and causes me a loss of income or a tarnished reptuation then I'll let lawyers work it out.
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Just on the three phase business...... Just because it may have been plugged into a three phase outlet doesn’t mean that the appliance in question was or is a three phase appliance. A three phase outlet can have 5 pins these particular outlets have a neutral! Any phase and neutral with give you 240v! (Single phase)
The applicance in question may have a plug and lead setup, this would allow the appliance to be used at any nearby outlet. (The plug and lead being either a 3 pin or 5 pin but only utilizing 240v)
Just my 2 cents from another life! That life use to pay a lot better!
The applicance in question may have a plug and lead setup, this would allow the appliance to be used at any nearby outlet. (The plug and lead being either a 3 pin or 5 pin but only utilizing 240v)
Just my 2 cents from another life! That life use to pay a lot better!
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drug and alcohol testing at Moorabbin
heard of another false positive at Moorabbin Airport. Perhaps CASA should be looking to find a more competent contract organisation to conduct their testing. It would be interesting to see if CASA is prepared to publish the statistics, or if we would have access to the information under Freedom of information.
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Why not TEST CASA?
Met a few fat men in my travels.
Normally during a ramp check. But why isn,t it published on the CASA website that these people have all care no, responsibility.
Do we, as the public have access to their drink driving records, or other infringements.?
My guess would be a resounding no.
So why do they have access to our lives.? Seems wrong.
Wheres the privacy act.?
When (in a previous life) minesites in WA (godzone) require every member of staff to blow the bag 6am each and every morning. Accountability.
Casa should do the same, realise they have drunks, drug users and offenders within their ranks. But we are the only, ones accountable.
Putting myself at risk. But public servants (thats who they are), need to be crystal clear. That won,t happen.!!
M
Don,t know about fellow pruners, but i always carry my meth lab around.
Normally during a ramp check. But why isn,t it published on the CASA website that these people have all care no, responsibility.
Do we, as the public have access to their drink driving records, or other infringements.?
My guess would be a resounding no.
So why do they have access to our lives.? Seems wrong.
Wheres the privacy act.?
When (in a previous life) minesites in WA (godzone) require every member of staff to blow the bag 6am each and every morning. Accountability.
Casa should do the same, realise they have drunks, drug users and offenders within their ranks. But we are the only, ones accountable.
Putting myself at risk. But public servants (thats who they are), need to be crystal clear. That won,t happen.!!
M
Don,t know about fellow pruners, but i always carry my meth lab around.
Who's the target?
Is it just flying schools thus far?
What about caterers, security, AFP, nut stranglers, ATC, firies....
Any words from those ranks???
What about caterers, security, AFP, nut stranglers, ATC, firies....
Any words from those ranks???
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False Positive Questions
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For the "False Positive" reading, was it for drugs or alcohol?
If it was alcohol, how was it determined to be false?
If it was narcotics, what was the substance falsely detected? And could it have been the subject had taken some OTC medication rather than cannabis or an opiate substance.
Or was the test subject 100% "clean"?
For the "False Positive" reading, was it for drugs or alcohol?
If it was alcohol, how was it determined to be false?
If it was narcotics, what was the substance falsely detected? And could it have been the subject had taken some OTC medication rather than cannabis or an opiate substance.
Or was the test subject 100% "clean"?
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What needs to happen is the friendly CASA testers head down to Tulla or other major port & test everyone in mid winter, hopefully most of the airport staff have the flu & have taken cold & flu tablets etc with plenty of codene. When they all test positive and the airport comes to a grinding stop for a few days maybe then CASA will realise that there testing process needs to change.
Well we can dream....
Well we can dream....