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Flip side, if aviation had 6-8% men and 92-94% women, how would it be different?
Would there be no bitching, slander, exploitation of workers, favouritism, power tripping games, irrational outbursts of emotion, EGO (I love putting that in caps, women have egos at least as big as men), better performance, advancement, retarded thinking, etc, etc, etc? Would the industry be safer? better in any way? worse???
IMHO, the reason there are so few women in aviation is because there are only a few of them suited to it, in terms of aptitude and attitude. There are exceptions and probably by and large they are exceptional people. The job itself is not out of reach of female capacity, the attitude and aptitude might be...but I don't know of many young girls lying awake at night thinking about flying, or engines or physics. Plenty of boys though...
Why do you, or did you, (question directed at the woman pilot thread starter reading this) want to be a pilot? and equally importantly, why does it worry you? If you want it, do it, don't play games or create imaginary issues for yourself and your kind. People get discriminated against for a myriad reasons, some sex, some looks, colour, clothing, blah blah. It happens to male and female and always will. This is planet Earth, not Utopia, get real.
Would there be no bitching, slander, exploitation of workers, favouritism, power tripping games, irrational outbursts of emotion, EGO (I love putting that in caps, women have egos at least as big as men), better performance, advancement, retarded thinking, etc, etc, etc? Would the industry be safer? better in any way? worse???
IMHO, the reason there are so few women in aviation is because there are only a few of them suited to it, in terms of aptitude and attitude. There are exceptions and probably by and large they are exceptional people. The job itself is not out of reach of female capacity, the attitude and aptitude might be...but I don't know of many young girls lying awake at night thinking about flying, or engines or physics. Plenty of boys though...
Why do you, or did you, (question directed at the woman pilot thread starter reading this) want to be a pilot? and equally importantly, why does it worry you? If you want it, do it, don't play games or create imaginary issues for yourself and your kind. People get discriminated against for a myriad reasons, some sex, some looks, colour, clothing, blah blah. It happens to male and female and always will. This is planet Earth, not Utopia, get real.
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Would there be no bitching, slander, exploitation of workers, favouritism, power tripping games, irrational outbursts of emotion, EGO (I love putting that in caps, women have egos at least as big as men), better performance, advancement, retarded thinking, etc, etc, etc? Would the industry be safer? better in any way? worse???
but I don't know of many young girls lying awake at night thinking about flying, or engines or physics.
create imaginary issues for yourself and your kind
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Well, in my experience, being female can work both ways.
I can't say I have ever used it to my advantage to get a job, but then again I'm not afraid to get in there and get my hands dirty. Aviation is a passion not just a job, and if you're going to make it in this industry regardless of sex, you have to do the hard yards - all of it.
I do my job just as well - if not better than most of the "men" I work with. And I'm proud of that.
For all aspiring female pilots out there, don't ever let a man tell you you can't do a job. Always ask to be involved in the hangar, around the office, at the pub. You'll be suprised how much you can learn. And yes there'll always be a few wankers out there. Deal with it, move on, and find something better.
To all you men out there, especially those I've learnt from, and shared many great experiences with (both good and bad) thank you!!
My 2 cents....
Just remember the age-old "never judge a book by it's cover" - one day it might suprise you!
I can't say I have ever used it to my advantage to get a job, but then again I'm not afraid to get in there and get my hands dirty. Aviation is a passion not just a job, and if you're going to make it in this industry regardless of sex, you have to do the hard yards - all of it.
I do my job just as well - if not better than most of the "men" I work with. And I'm proud of that.
For all aspiring female pilots out there, don't ever let a man tell you you can't do a job. Always ask to be involved in the hangar, around the office, at the pub. You'll be suprised how much you can learn. And yes there'll always be a few wankers out there. Deal with it, move on, and find something better.
To all you men out there, especially those I've learnt from, and shared many great experiences with (both good and bad) thank you!!
My 2 cents....
Just remember the age-old "never judge a book by it's cover" - one day it might suprise you!
but then again I'm not afraid to get in there and get my hands dirty. Aviation is a passion not just a job, and if you're going to make it in this industry regardless of sex, you have to do the hard yards - all of it.
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Elizabeth Thible of Lyons (first female to leave the earths surface), France a hot-air balloon in 1784
Madeleine Sophie Blanchard a famous French balloonist who was appointed official Aeronaut of the Empire by Napoleon in 1798.
Katherine Wright first flew with her brothers for their demonstration flights in France in 1909.
Harriet Quimby became the first licensed female airplane pilot in America in 1911
Helen Richey was hired by Central Airlines as the first woman pilot on a regularly scheduled airline in 1934
The list goes on and on and on.... including
Amelia Earhart became the first woman to fly across the Atlantic, as a passenger. She gained fame from this, but it was by no means her most significant contribution to aviation. She became the first woman to fly across the Atlantic solo in 1932
Nancy Bird Walton of Australia. She was one of the first two women in New South Wales to fly at night and the youngest woman in the British Empire to qualify for a commercial license in 1935
Women have been involved in all aspects of aviation since before the Wright Brothers and their powered flight. They have been some of the first (of either gender) to make flights or break records. I am not saying that there involvement in the game has been easy, and in FACT it hasn't.
"First Women Pilots! Early Female Pioneers of Aviation" - Maybe (IMO) a valid concern of the time.
So females in aviation is far from a new concept. In the modern world any damage done to the image/reputation of the female pilot, is by the majority, caused by the female pilot. I have worked with females who physically had trouble with certain duties ie; standing up a 44gal drum of fuel. And as long as they attempted to give me a hand doing it for them, I had no issues with it. Hey, I have even had to ask people to help me with certain tasks, and Im a big bloke.....
So, if you have an issue about being a female in aviation, then it is your issue. And maybe you may want to consider if it is the right job for you.
Madeleine Sophie Blanchard a famous French balloonist who was appointed official Aeronaut of the Empire by Napoleon in 1798.
Katherine Wright first flew with her brothers for their demonstration flights in France in 1909.
Harriet Quimby became the first licensed female airplane pilot in America in 1911
Helen Richey was hired by Central Airlines as the first woman pilot on a regularly scheduled airline in 1934
The list goes on and on and on.... including
Amelia Earhart became the first woman to fly across the Atlantic, as a passenger. She gained fame from this, but it was by no means her most significant contribution to aviation. She became the first woman to fly across the Atlantic solo in 1932
Nancy Bird Walton of Australia. She was one of the first two women in New South Wales to fly at night and the youngest woman in the British Empire to qualify for a commercial license in 1935
Women have been involved in all aspects of aviation since before the Wright Brothers and their powered flight. They have been some of the first (of either gender) to make flights or break records. I am not saying that there involvement in the game has been easy, and in FACT it hasn't.
The resistance to lady pilots was profound! Arguments arose regarding a woman’s physical ability to control a plane, considering their naturally weaker physique, and the thinner air in the upper atmosphere
So females in aviation is far from a new concept. In the modern world any damage done to the image/reputation of the female pilot, is by the majority, caused by the female pilot. I have worked with females who physically had trouble with certain duties ie; standing up a 44gal drum of fuel. And as long as they attempted to give me a hand doing it for them, I had no issues with it. Hey, I have even had to ask people to help me with certain tasks, and Im a big bloke.....
So, if you have an issue about being a female in aviation, then it is your issue. And maybe you may want to consider if it is the right job for you.
