Queenair
Mr. Blackhand
Your post indicates that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Put 720's in it...... yeah right. The original poster indicated importing a BE65 in to the country. The Excalibur( not EXCALIBER as you expertly indicated ) was only approved on the BE80 in the US only as a so called improvement on the ORIGINAL engines that have been faithful all over the years thanks to proper training of how to handle them.This is the key word: PROPER TRAINING.
Get it?
There was only two Queenairs brought in to Oz, VH-AEQ and VH-XAE and stc'd to operate with 720's but no one up to date had the approval to convert any Queenairs to Excalibur upgrade in this country. And it will never happen due to beurocratic bull**** upstairs. So do not give any advice to some poor bugger from Europe what he should do before getting proper background information of what it takes to undertake such an exersise. There is nothing wrong with the original engines as long as you know how to handle them correctly.
Put 720's in it...... yeah right. The original poster indicated importing a BE65 in to the country. The Excalibur( not EXCALIBER as you expertly indicated ) was only approved on the BE80 in the US only as a so called improvement on the ORIGINAL engines that have been faithful all over the years thanks to proper training of how to handle them.This is the key word: PROPER TRAINING.
Get it?
There was only two Queenairs brought in to Oz, VH-AEQ and VH-XAE and stc'd to operate with 720's but no one up to date had the approval to convert any Queenairs to Excalibur upgrade in this country. And it will never happen due to beurocratic bull**** upstairs. So do not give any advice to some poor bugger from Europe what he should do before getting proper background information of what it takes to undertake such an exersise. There is nothing wrong with the original engines as long as you know how to handle them correctly.
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SMS777
Nail on the head you have hit
Excellent conversion though, we had the the 720's doin bout 2400 hrs tbo which aint to bad.
Also had the IGSO-480 go full life on a parachute operation using the right kind of lovin.
Nail on the head you have hit
Excellent conversion though, we had the the 720's doin bout 2400 hrs tbo which aint to bad.
Also had the IGSO-480 go full life on a parachute operation using the right kind of lovin.
The Excalibur( not EXCALIBER as you expertly indicated ) was only approved on the BE80 in the US only as a so called improvement
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR79-16.pdf
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" There was only two Queenairs brought in to Oz, VH-AEQ and VH-XAE"
And I had the very pleasant task of taking VH-AEQ out of Oz.
YMMB-YPMQ 3:20 26 Oct
YPMQ-YHLI 1:50 27 Oct
YLHI--NZPM 5:15, this leg was done at FL170, 28 Oct 01.
From memory recall 17" 2200RPM running on the smell of an oily rag atFL170, 30 kts up the chuff, VMC all the way until 30 miles out from NZPM, and had an IF approach at PM just to round the day off. And I got paid for it.
And I had the very pleasant task of taking VH-AEQ out of Oz.
YMMB-YPMQ 3:20 26 Oct
YPMQ-YHLI 1:50 27 Oct
YLHI--NZPM 5:15, this leg was done at FL170, 28 Oct 01.
From memory recall 17" 2200RPM running on the smell of an oily rag atFL170, 30 kts up the chuff, VMC all the way until 30 miles out from NZPM, and had an IF approach at PM just to round the day off. And I got paid for it.
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I beleive AEQ was shipped to NZ so it does not have to comply the spar life limitation imposed in Oz which it has expired. I used to fly both aircrafts for Air Eastern (AEQ short for Air Eastern Queenair) in the 90's.
I remember XAE was an exellent craft but AEQ always needed rudder trim to make it fly straight.
Have you had that problem on your ferry flight?
I remember XAE was an exellent craft but AEQ always needed rudder trim to make it fly straight.
Have you had that problem on your ferry flight?
PA39,
As SMS777 has alluded, do your homework very carefully re. the SPAR LIFE AD. and the time accumulated on the aircraft to date.
Given the cost of putting the aircraft on an Australian C.of A, the remaining life of the airframe may well not be worth it.
Tootle pip!!
As SMS777 has alluded, do your homework very carefully re. the SPAR LIFE AD. and the time accumulated on the aircraft to date.
Given the cost of putting the aircraft on an Australian C.of A, the remaining life of the airframe may well not be worth it.
Tootle pip!!
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" Have you had that problem on your ferry flight?"
Cannot recall that being a problem, and yes it was purchased because the spar life problem imposed in Oz did not apply in NZ. Had a lot work done on it over here to set it up for a pure freight role, and the run it was on, 2:30 each way, had a very good TBO on the IO720's.
Cannot recall that being a problem, and yes it was purchased because the spar life problem imposed in Oz did not apply in NZ. Had a lot work done on it over here to set it up for a pure freight role, and the run it was on, 2:30 each way, had a very good TBO on the IO720's.
The sparlife applies to all Queenairs in Oz, and in Oz only.
The B65 model which have a max take off weight of up to 8200 lbs have a sparlife of 13 000 hrs. The B80 came with bigger engines and incrased max take off weight of 8800 lbs, therefore more stress on airframe, had reduced spar life of 11 000 hrs. That includes the Excalibur.
If i recall correctly it can only be extended once which means at 26 000 hrs the whole airframe is srapmetal
The B65 model which have a max take off weight of up to 8200 lbs have a sparlife of 13 000 hrs. The B80 came with bigger engines and incrased max take off weight of 8800 lbs, therefore more stress on airframe, had reduced spar life of 11 000 hrs. That includes the Excalibur.
If i recall correctly it can only be extended once which means at 26 000 hrs the whole airframe is srapmetal
'Wiz',
Was Supervisor on duty PH FSC that evening. Console operator on intercom leans over and says -you wanna listen to this - 'overflying' aircraft, (don't really know whether he was or not) called up to say that an aircraft 'had run off the strip' at LEO, that he was overflying, no further details avbl as it was getting dark out there....when 'pressed' for more details, he did not want to elaborate, or so it seemed....(You may know more...)
So I rang Mr Plod and they went out to have a look, and later rang back to say they didn't find anybody or any aircraft 'off the strip'.
Then I think we 'pressed for' & got a little more info from the 'overflier' who then said something like the Queenair was BEYOND the Northern end of the gravel rwy. and out they went again.
It would have been dark by this time.
However, this time they went all the way up the N/S towards the fence and found a guy walking back from the site.
And, the rest is history, as they say.
Heard later that the initial report from the 'overflying' aircraft was actually a mate / colleague of the pilot concerned (?) and he didn't want to 'elaborate' for obvious reasons.....
It was 'Incidental Information' to us, so we just submitted the usual 'Crash' report of the facts as we knew them....
We knew nothing of the injuries sustained or the actuals of the 'event'.
The aircraft had just been 'refitted etc' ready for the next tourist season, and had had a 'bomb' spent on it, as you say.
'Twas a nice one too - had the pleasure of flying it in '76 when it was on night freight runs with Masling.
Only just caught up with this one.....sorry re the time frame...
Cheers....aaaah..dem good ole' days.....
Was Supervisor on duty PH FSC that evening. Console operator on intercom leans over and says -you wanna listen to this - 'overflying' aircraft, (don't really know whether he was or not) called up to say that an aircraft 'had run off the strip' at LEO, that he was overflying, no further details avbl as it was getting dark out there....when 'pressed' for more details, he did not want to elaborate, or so it seemed....(You may know more...)
So I rang Mr Plod and they went out to have a look, and later rang back to say they didn't find anybody or any aircraft 'off the strip'.
Then I think we 'pressed for' & got a little more info from the 'overflier' who then said something like the Queenair was BEYOND the Northern end of the gravel rwy. and out they went again.
It would have been dark by this time.
However, this time they went all the way up the N/S towards the fence and found a guy walking back from the site.
And, the rest is history, as they say.
Heard later that the initial report from the 'overflying' aircraft was actually a mate / colleague of the pilot concerned (?) and he didn't want to 'elaborate' for obvious reasons.....
It was 'Incidental Information' to us, so we just submitted the usual 'Crash' report of the facts as we knew them....
We knew nothing of the injuries sustained or the actuals of the 'event'.
The aircraft had just been 'refitted etc' ready for the next tourist season, and had had a 'bomb' spent on it, as you say.
'Twas a nice one too - had the pleasure of flying it in '76 when it was on night freight runs with Masling.
Only just caught up with this one.....sorry re the time frame...
Cheers....aaaah..dem good ole' days.....
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Yeah, the "overflying" aircraft was overflying..........on his departure upwind.
I can tell a whole lot about the shonk that was driving, but will save it for a yarn over beers one day. just think "Sea Devon" and "gun runners shrike". It should all click for ya then.
I can tell a whole lot about the shonk that was driving, but will save it for a yarn over beers one day.
just think "Sea Devon" and "gun runners shrike". It should all click for ya then.
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The Queen Air at Tooradin is (or was) MWI. She's in a sorry state outside, but inside she nice, the props are brand spanking new and I think the donks may be also.
Still, I don't think she'll fly anytime soon......unless I get a bit adventurous after a few beers one sunday arvo!
Still, I don't think she'll fly anytime soon......unless I get a bit adventurous after a few beers one sunday arvo!
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Queenairs A65 and A70
Ex FSO Griffo:
Wanderin dave:
I flew the Queenairs VH-MWH (A65) and VH-MWI (A70) for more than 1500 hours on Commuter Operations in 1968 / 1969 / and 1970.
Good times and good stories.
Regards
Tmb
Wanderin dave:
I flew the Queenairs VH-MWH (A65) and VH-MWI (A70) for more than 1500 hours on Commuter Operations in 1968 / 1969 / and 1970.
Good times and good stories.
Regards
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My records indicate that VH-AEQ was reg as ZK-WKA on 14 FEB 2002 and was deregistered on 20 APR 2006, still with same owner at Lower Hutt.
Do not know reason for cancellation.
Re the Excalibur's:- imported into Vanuatu as YJ-RV17 and YJ-RV18.
After Vanair, they both went to Sunflower A/l in Fiji as DQ-FEW and DQ-FER. The latter crashed and was destroyed by fire at Vunitavola on 10 NOV 1988 and the other went to Tonga as A3-FEW to fly with Peau Vava'u Air, but do not know it's current situation.
Hope this helps, but, still looking for TGA, was last operated by a chap on Queenslands Sunshine Coast.
Do not know reason for cancellation.
Re the Excalibur's:- imported into Vanuatu as YJ-RV17 and YJ-RV18.
After Vanair, they both went to Sunflower A/l in Fiji as DQ-FEW and DQ-FER. The latter crashed and was destroyed by fire at Vunitavola on 10 NOV 1988 and the other went to Tonga as A3-FEW to fly with Peau Vava'u Air, but do not know it's current situation.
Hope this helps, but, still looking for TGA, was last operated by a chap on Queenslands Sunshine Coast.