Taking a job in WA, what are some of the cons
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heres one of the cons champ. A mate of mine who is/was a pilot in WA rang me yesterday to tell me that he had been fired from this GA aviation/charter mob in a remote part of WA because he insisted on taking leave to be at the birth of his first child. word is starting to get around on who the operator is, but mate, this is how some GA operators treat their pilots. Absolutely bloody disgusting. This CP then a few days after he sacked this pilot (who then left town) sent him an apology letter saying he was stressed out and sorry for sacking you and unfortunately you have been replaced however congratulations on the birth of your new baby!!! hang your head in shame mate. when people do dog acts like that to another human being, your name will not be forgotten. karma my friend
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mdt001, you can afford a house cleaner. Can't wait to get a job like yours.
Like the others have said, be wary of how they calculate hourly pay. MR time, Start up to shut down, sign on to sign off. If someone is paying $20hr to sit in the cockpit then thats a disgrace. There would have to be one hell of a benefits package.
I hear there are company's that are paying the basic pilots award (dayVFR single engine), but then charge an arm and a leg for rent/utilities. The pilots at one worked it out that they lost 1/3 of their wage back to the company. And that was during the pilot shortage, god help them now.
It also went the other way, pilots would ring up and ask for a job. After going through all the formalities of resume, phone interview etc they turn around and say I want this this and this, which was more than the CP got paid. Interview over.
So as everyone says, when they ask what will you work for, the answer is the award. Unless they have a good offer for you, free/cheap acc, cheap food, cheap utilities. That can add up to $12k+ pain the hand, $15k or more before tax. There is alot to be said for fringe benefits I reckon.
Like the others have said, be wary of how they calculate hourly pay. MR time, Start up to shut down, sign on to sign off. If someone is paying $20hr to sit in the cockpit then thats a disgrace. There would have to be one hell of a benefits package.
I hear there are company's that are paying the basic pilots award (dayVFR single engine), but then charge an arm and a leg for rent/utilities. The pilots at one worked it out that they lost 1/3 of their wage back to the company. And that was during the pilot shortage, god help them now.
It also went the other way, pilots would ring up and ask for a job. After going through all the formalities of resume, phone interview etc they turn around and say I want this this and this, which was more than the CP got paid. Interview over.
So as everyone says, when they ask what will you work for, the answer is the award. Unless they have a good offer for you, free/cheap acc, cheap food, cheap utilities. That can add up to $12k+ pain the hand, $15k or more before tax. There is alot to be said for fringe benefits I reckon.
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Wages for an apprentice AME
Hey guys, you reckon $20/hour is bad... some companies in WA are still paying their 1st year apprentices around $9/hour. In fact that very same company started me as an AME just after the last recession on $12.65/hour!
Hey guys, you reckon $20/hour is bad... some companies in WA are still paying their 1st year apprentices around $9/hour. In fact that very same company started me as an AME just after the last recession on $12.65/hour!
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Federal Award
As far as I was aware there is a federal pilots award which covers all general aviation pilots in Australia. Obviously I may be wrong as I still know of operators that do not pay what I took to be a compulsory award wage. It can be found here: Find an award | Fair Work Australia . This is slightly different from the AFAP one where only members are covered.
I am happy to be pointed in the direction as to where it says it doesn't cover all general aviation operators in Australia as I have only glanced over it. It took me a while to track it down when I had a problem with pay rates a while ago. Hope this is of some help.
I am happy to be pointed in the direction as to where it says it doesn't cover all general aviation operators in Australia as I have only glanced over it. It took me a while to track it down when I had a problem with pay rates a while ago. Hope this is of some help.
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6. WHO IS BOUND BY THIS AWARD?
The award is binding upon each of the employers and/or operators named in Appendix A; each pilot identified in 5.2, and the Australian Federation of Air Pilots.
The award is binding upon each of the employers and/or operators named in Appendix A; each pilot identified in 5.2, and the Australian Federation of Air Pilots.
5.2 This award relates to the industry of persons employed as pilots in any capacity whether full-time, part-time or casual in General Aviation excepting Helicopters and Aerial Agriculture operations.
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Award coverage
I too would like to know if, where an Operator is NOT listed here, they are then free to offer/not offer whatever they think is a fair thing.
Surely not?!
Can an operator, not listed here, offer, and pay only 4 weeks leave to a pilot on full-time for example?
It's one thing to be paying above the award salary for ones classification, but that doesn't negate the other provisions in the award..does it?
Surely not?!
Can an operator, not listed here, offer, and pay only 4 weeks leave to a pilot on full-time for example?
It's one thing to be paying above the award salary for ones classification, but that doesn't negate the other provisions in the award..does it?
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Would some one please care to name the opperator, I'm a long way from wa but I need to know so I can bin any resumes that happen to come accross my desk with them listed.
some companies in WA are still paying their 1st year apprentices around $9/hour.
Not a bad racket........
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Right.
In my first GA job, I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day in an old, falling apart C210, and pay aircraft owner for permission to come to work, and when we got back, our CP would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah".
This whole business is becoming a case of life imitating art...
...At least I had a shoebox to live in - looookshurry!
In my first GA job, I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day in an old, falling apart C210, and pay aircraft owner for permission to come to work, and when we got back, our CP would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah".
This whole business is becoming a case of life imitating art...
...At least I had a shoebox to live in - looookshurry!
Getting There
The award is Federal as of 1 January 2010. EVERY employer i Australia is bound by it.
The place to call is Fair Work Australia to get what you deserve.
look for this : http://www.cciwa.com/getfile.aspx?Ty...ObjectID=30295
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Coverage
4.1
This award covers employers throughout Australia of air pilots and those employees.
The award is Federal as of 1 January 2010. EVERY employer i Australia is bound by it.
The place to call is Fair Work Australia to get what you deserve.
look for this : http://www.cciwa.com/getfile.aspx?Ty...ObjectID=30295
4.
Coverage
4.1
This award covers employers throughout Australia of air pilots and those employees.
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The General Aviation Pilots award is a federal award. All employers must pay salaries in accordance with the award otherwise they breach federal laws and can face substantial fines. The award is clear at to rates of pay for casual, part time and full time staff. The award also indicates the minimum hours of pay for casual staff when required for duty. The award has changed very little over the years and many employers that have chosen not to pay in accordance with the award are now hesitant to employ staff mindfull of the fact that legal action could be taken againts them with respect to pay and conditions.
