So the count down has begun
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Wally, I knew the step was there but not how close i was getting to it. basically I didn't have a good enough idea of how i was going to navigate through that area beore I got there and at the last minute realised I was getting too close to the step, but by then the ATO had to say fail.
I know i could have gotten radar to give me a hand but it was a stupid error I made that caused me to fail, hell, i got through there yesterday not a problem
I know i could have gotten radar to give me a hand but it was a stupid error I made that caused me to fail, hell, i got through there yesterday not a problem
'AN' we have ALL made stupid mistakes thru our flying career, hindsight is a wonderful thing but building that experience means you rarely learn unless you stuff up. I bet from now on you will forever be more aware of yr situational awareness, something that is lacking due the easy use GPS & relying on little else.
Good luck & remember ALWAYS have an out
Wmk2
Good luck & remember ALWAYS have an out
Wmk2
the test was stopped when I got too close to the 1500 step
I am not aware of anything in the regs that says you can't fly close to steps!
Dr
PS: G'donya mate - well done!
how ya bin there doc? Actually there is a tollerance for VFR tracking close to CTA, can't rememer what it is or where it's to be found off the top of my head but am sure some switched on dude in here will bark it out
Wmk2
Actually there is a tollerance for VFR tracking close to CTA, can't rememer what it is or where it's to be found off the top of my head but am sure some switched on dude in here will bark it outWmk2
Hey Nick!
Congrats on your achivement.... Go out and celebrate, but let me remind you of one thing.
You have earned nothing but a license to learn. This is a milestone of your flying career and you have passed so far. Now is the the time to face the challenge and think about your future in aviation.
Do not get cocky about your abilities, get out there and ask lots of questions before making decisions and do not be afraid to get on Pprune for advice because we are here to help you.
I wish i had the same resources when i was learning to fly 30 years ago.
Good luck!
You have earned nothing but a license to learn. This is a milestone of your flying career and you have passed so far. Now is the the time to face the challenge and think about your future in aviation.
Do not get cocky about your abilities, get out there and ask lots of questions before making decisions and do not be afraid to get on Pprune for advice because we are here to help you.
I wish i had the same resources when i was learning to fly 30 years ago.
Good luck!
Thread Starter
thanks for that guys.
Doc, due to the fact that the ATO had doubts as to weather I was situationally aware of the step is grounds for a fail if i remember reading the testing forms right.
either way i learnt from it and its behind me now, and as the boys have said, time to start learning
Doc, due to the fact that the ATO had doubts as to weather I was situationally aware of the step is grounds for a fail if i remember reading the testing forms right.
either way i learnt from it and its behind me now, and as the boys have said, time to start learning
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Ya dead right mate.......... I'm surprised I even saw it. I had to get in before all the other spelling police though. 
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Well done Nick!
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Wally Mk2
The AIP states the following navigational tolerances:
0 - 2,000 - +-1nm day / +-2nm night
2,000 - 5,000 - +-2nm day / +-3nm night
5,000 - 10,000 - +-4nm day / +-5nm night
Whether they are legally enforceable or not (ie supported by regs) I don't know. However if you bust the steps and you confess to ignoring the tolerances you're more likely to be hung out to dry. If a pilot busted the tollerances on a CPL test I think the ATO would have no option but to fail the candidate.
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Wally Mk2
The AIP states the following navigational tolerances:
0 - 2,000 - +-1nm day / +-2nm night
2,000 - 5,000 - +-2nm day / +-3nm night
5,000 - 10,000 - +-4nm day / +-5nm night
Whether they are legally enforceable or not (ie supported by regs) I don't know. However if you bust the steps and you confess to ignoring the tolerances you're more likely to be hung out to dry. If a pilot busted the tollerances on a CPL test I think the ATO would have no option but to fail the candidate.
0 - 2,000 - +-1nm day
Dr
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Nup. you still need a clearance to be in the airspace, but can be 0.5Nm off track while your blundering around in there.
I would imagine that your allowed to be off track within the tolerances, but you need to know your off track.
I would imagine that your allowed to be off track within the tolerances, but you need to know your off track.
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Nick, Well done mate.
Wally Mk2 hit the nail on the head, you have the right attitude.
I remember watching an air crash investigators episode once and the lead investigator said, " you should never let the aeroplane go where your brain hasn't been 10 minutes earlier".
As my test officer said to me, (bless his soul), "In a court of law you will now be refered to as Captain (insert name), however this is a licence to learn". His Wife said, " remember, the industry doesn't owe you anything".
So I went on got my commercial knowing I was doing it for myself and if I never got a job so be it, I would be all the more wiser.
Mate good luck with the rest of your career and again well done.
Wally Mk2 hit the nail on the head, you have the right attitude.
I remember watching an air crash investigators episode once and the lead investigator said, " you should never let the aeroplane go where your brain hasn't been 10 minutes earlier".
As my test officer said to me, (bless his soul), "In a court of law you will now be refered to as Captain (insert name), however this is a licence to learn". His Wife said, " remember, the industry doesn't owe you anything".
So I went on got my commercial knowing I was doing it for myself and if I never got a job so be it, I would be all the more wiser.
Mate good luck with the rest of your career and again well done.
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Well Done Aussie Nick!! I'm in a similar boat as you..got the illusive CPL and now tackling the Instrument Rating..as my instructor said "welcome to aviation, the learning never ends"!! Enjoy P
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