Logging king air hours..
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Those extra windows do require an extra endorsement unfortunately. IMHO you would have been better off with a travel air endorsement! That way you can fly a whole family of aircraft! You don't happen to be a cheeky Oxford student hoping to make use out of his/her CIR test aircraft?
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Thanks for replies, yeah didnt think i could log it. Just had a few opportunites where i was sitting in the RHS with a friend in a B200 and thought would be bonus if i could log it.
That's rather like saying you flew on a Virgin Blue 737 - you didnt actually do anything, just sat there, but can you log the time??
You can only log passenger time on an aircraft under 5,700 kg for which the POH specifies a minimum crew of one pilot and on which you are not endorsed.
Some contracts specify two-crew ops required in a Chieftain, for example. If the second crew member is there performing flight crew duties, are you saying he cannot log the time?
If you are performing co-pilot duties, you can log co-pilot time.
That means, however:
1/. working for a company that has
2/. trained and appointed you
3/. to perform co-pilot duties
4/. on an aircraft on which you are endorsed (*)
5/. in accordance with the procedures described in your operations manual and accepted by CASA.
* ...and if there is no such thing as a Co-pilot endo, you must hold a command endo... and you must hold a current rating for the operations undertaken, ie: current CIR if the ops are IFR.
It might not pay well... it might look like a joke... employers may not take you seriously... but the holder of a flight crew licence MUST log the time spent performing flight crew duties.
I might add that the scenario proposed by the original poster does not meet the requirements outlined above.
I know of a chap
with a couple of hundred hours co-pilot in ME T/props that can't log it because he wasn't endorsed 
Horatio.
Read my post:
My emphasis on the word "AND".
My post is confirmed correct by your post:
Shadow can only log passenger time in the situation he described, even if he is sitting in the RH seat.
Read my post:
"...the POH specifies a minimum crew of one pilot AND on which you are not endorsed."
My post is confirmed correct by your post:
1/. working for a company that has
2/. trained and appointed you
3/. to perform co-pilot duties
4/. on an aircraft on which you are endorsed (*)
2/. trained and appointed you
3/. to perform co-pilot duties
4/. on an aircraft on which you are endorsed (*)
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I've met a few co-pilots who should have only logged 'PASSENGER' time...
Torres
From the CASA website, under "Pilot Log Books":
...and from the CARs:
...and...
...note that at (c) it doesn't say "to fly a multi-pilot aeroplane as a co-pilot...".
If it was the intention of the legislators to exclude our now hypothetical situation, would they not have done so explicitly (given the explicit distinction made in (a) and (b))?
Co-pilot
means all flight time while serving in any piloting capacity other than as pilot in command.
means all flight time while serving in any piloting capacity other than as pilot in command.
flight crew member means a licensed crew member charged with duties essential to the operation of an aircraft during flight time, and any reference to flight crew has a corresponding meaning.
5.105 What does a commercial pilot (aeroplane) licence authorise a person to do?
(1) A commercial pilot (aeroplane) licence authorises the holder of the
licence:
(a) to fly a single pilot aeroplane as pilot in command while the aeroplane is engaged in any operation; and
(b) to fly a multi-pilot aeroplane as pilot in command while the aeroplane is engaged in any operation other than a charter operation, or a regular public transport operation; and
(c) to fly an aeroplane as co-pilot while the aeroplane is engaged in
any operation.
(1) A commercial pilot (aeroplane) licence authorises the holder of the
licence:
(a) to fly a single pilot aeroplane as pilot in command while the aeroplane is engaged in any operation; and
(b) to fly a multi-pilot aeroplane as pilot in command while the aeroplane is engaged in any operation other than a charter operation, or a regular public transport operation; and
(c) to fly an aeroplane as co-pilot while the aeroplane is engaged in
any operation.
If it was the intention of the legislators to exclude our now hypothetical situation, would they not have done so explicitly (given the explicit distinction made in (a) and (b))?
