Beating the Rex Bond
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From: Frankston
Beating the Rex Bond
Anyone with any news on beating the Rex bond, a few have gotten off without paying it, any details, the name of the lawyer who has dealt with the case would be nice. Appartently they are suing for the outstanding bonds and for breach of the agreement, and extra 7-10 grand on top of the bond! A nice way to treat former employees, Singapore style.
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From: 500 miles from Chaikhosi, Yogistan
Sometimes pilots are their own worst enemies.
Next you'll be jumping up and down shouting how unfair it is that you have to pay up front for an endorsement for your Jetstar or DJ job.
It's precisely the reason that selfish people like that (you?) that have caused companies to introduce pay up front.
Rex has invested time and money into you. It is your duty - as you willingly agreed - to see out your return of service or pay up the remainder of the bond - as you had previously agreed.
It's got nothing to do with Singapore style, hamster style or any other style. You've tried to shaft them by scrounging out of an agreement you entered into, and they are trying to get back what is theirs. Fair enough.
For once I am with Rex. And this has nothing to do with the (lack of?) EBA negotiations.
Next you'll be jumping up and down shouting how unfair it is that you have to pay up front for an endorsement for your Jetstar or DJ job.
It's precisely the reason that selfish people like that (you?) that have caused companies to introduce pay up front.
Rex has invested time and money into you. It is your duty - as you willingly agreed - to see out your return of service or pay up the remainder of the bond - as you had previously agreed.
It's got nothing to do with Singapore style, hamster style or any other style. You've tried to shaft them by scrounging out of an agreement you entered into, and they are trying to get back what is theirs. Fair enough.
For once I am with Rex. And this has nothing to do with the (lack of?) EBA negotiations.
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From: Sydney Australia
Well said C.T.
I don't think many here would be more outspoken about the H.R. skills (or lack thereof) of REX. But mate! Fair's fair. I don't agree that at this or higher levels of aviation that companies are doing themselves a service by requiring already "experienced" pilots to fork out 10's of thousands of dollars for the "privilige" of working for them.
I do agree however, that the bond is an equitable and fair alternative. Take your lumps mate. Do the right thing.
Krusty!
I don't think many here would be more outspoken about the H.R. skills (or lack thereof) of REX. But mate! Fair's fair. I don't agree that at this or higher levels of aviation that companies are doing themselves a service by requiring already "experienced" pilots to fork out 10's of thousands of dollars for the "privilige" of working for them.
I do agree however, that the bond is an equitable and fair alternative. Take your lumps mate. Do the right thing.
Krusty!
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Krusty old mate... I HAVE to disagree with you here.
the reason that pilots are paid a TRAINING wage, and LOWER than fair wages over the first three years at REX, is a hngover from the KD/ZL days when there was no bond or upfront payment for the type rating. The way the current REX board has it, they are double-dipping with regards screwing new recruits.
IF the company wants to keep employees..... well we BOTH know the answer to that one!
As for beating the bond.... I would suggest it would be fairly easy! just list the ways in which the COMPANY has not abided by the EBA, and then put it to THEM that THEY were the ones who first broke the agreement, hence all bets are off! and I would bet a penny to a pound, that you could find SOME WAY in which they have broken their end of the bargain.
the reason that pilots are paid a TRAINING wage, and LOWER than fair wages over the first three years at REX, is a hngover from the KD/ZL days when there was no bond or upfront payment for the type rating. The way the current REX board has it, they are double-dipping with regards screwing new recruits.
IF the company wants to keep employees..... well we BOTH know the answer to that one!
As for beating the bond.... I would suggest it would be fairly easy! just list the ways in which the COMPANY has not abided by the EBA, and then put it to THEM that THEY were the ones who first broke the agreement, hence all bets are off! and I would bet a penny to a pound, that you could find SOME WAY in which they have broken their end of the bargain.
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I agree with the obviously older heads regarding bonds. I think a bond is a gentlemans agreement between employee and employer. It is WRONG to depart before you have done your time. As others have noted it is no wonder that Virgin and Jet Star are making pilots pay for endorsements when this sort of thing happens.
A couple of years back I was bonded for 2 years and was offered a better job about a month into my bond tenure. I could have paid the bond out but I elected to stay as the bond in no way covered the costs of endorsing me and all the other trimmings. I just felt I had a moral obligation to the organisation concerned. I never regretted it and they now pay me handsomely.
I implore the selfish ones to reconsider when thinking of jumping bond, it gives us all a bad name. Remember it is a very small industry and deeds done now will come back to haunt you. Just ask any survivor of the War.
A couple of years back I was bonded for 2 years and was offered a better job about a month into my bond tenure. I could have paid the bond out but I elected to stay as the bond in no way covered the costs of endorsing me and all the other trimmings. I just felt I had a moral obligation to the organisation concerned. I never regretted it and they now pay me handsomely.
I implore the selfish ones to reconsider when thinking of jumping bond, it gives us all a bad name. Remember it is a very small industry and deeds done now will come back to haunt you. Just ask any survivor of the War.
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Just like the bond, those that signed the contract knew what the pay deal was. This doesn’t make it right but in this industry Karma has a way of coming around and bighting you on the bum. Either do your time or pay out your bond and use it as a good life lesson.
Just like the bond, those that signed the contract knew what the pay deal was. This doesn’t make it right but in this industry Karma has a way of coming around and bighting you on the bum. Either do your time or pay out your bond and use it as a good life lesson.
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Goes to show the audactiy of some pilots. I've come across a lot that say "I'm just gonna do it to get ahead so I can get a jet job". I don't know how many I have warned, that going to Rex is only going to make them whinge and whine in 12 months time, about how much they hate it there and want to get out. And so far, I have only come across 1 who hasn't whinged and whined, and is actually still there.
If you go there, do the company (and all future pilots) a favour, STAY THERE! For at least the term of your bond.
I remember seeing a letter written by Rex Management, that basically said "We're not going to pay you more, because you're all just going to go anyway". Now that I think about it, I don't blame them. Anyone that goes there with the attitude I quoted above, deserves to be screwed over. All they're doing is making it worse for those following them.
Compressor Stall, I completely agree with you.
morno
If you go there, do the company (and all future pilots) a favour, STAY THERE! For at least the term of your bond.
I remember seeing a letter written by Rex Management, that basically said "We're not going to pay you more, because you're all just going to go anyway". Now that I think about it, I don't blame them. Anyone that goes there with the attitude I quoted above, deserves to be screwed over. All they're doing is making it worse for those following them.
Compressor Stall, I completely agree with you.
morno
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Even if, as the Dr says, bonds rarely hold up in court, you really need a very strong reason to break one. Simply being pissed-off with the company is no excuse - most pilots suffer from this malaise at times. To get out with any shred of honour you would need to take them on for some clear breach of their side of any agreement, and show that you had objected to whatever the breach was, but to no avail. Examples could be illegal rostering, repeated late payment of salary or allowances, failure to provide a safe working environment etc.
Or you could deliberately fail a check ride, or tell the boss what you think of him at the Xmas party (or roger his missus) of course. But when your next potential employer does due diligence, all but the last of these tactics would likely bite you on the bum just as bad as jumping the bond.
Or you could deliberately fail a check ride, or tell the boss what you think of him at the Xmas party (or roger his missus) of course. But when your next potential employer does due diligence, all but the last of these tactics would likely bite you on the bum just as bad as jumping the bond.
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From: Hughes Point, where life is great! Was also resident on page 13, but now I'm lost in Cyberspace....
I think a bond is a gentlemans agreement between employee and employer.
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Pretty typical of attitudes these days. " want all the rights, but you can take the responsibilities and shove 'em up your arse". When will they learn.
You signed the agreement, be man enough or have the morals to live up to it.
You signed the agreement, be man enough or have the morals to live up to it.
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From: Perth
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I think the general feeling here is that paying for an endo is like paying to get a job. Right or wrong that's the way the world turns, today. But funny you know we ALL have 'paid' to get a job flying, right from the very first day we handed over our first buck to learn to fly!
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From: 0.0221 DME Keyboard
No body wins in the end....
Had a flick through the case provided by leagleagle73 and whilst yes, Matthew Clarke won the appeal and didn't have to pay the bond he lost on costs and ended up having to pay his own.
I'd be curious to know how much more or less than $7500 it cost him in the end......
UTR
I'd be curious to know how much more or less than $7500 it cost him in the end......
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