CASA/ASL Exam validity...
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CASA/ASL Exam validity...
Hi guys,
Just wondering - what is the validity of the CASA CPL/ATPL exams?
I couldn't find much on the CASA website... had a look around on http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/download/h12.pdf which I think states something about 3 years validity - ie once you start your first exam - get them all finished within 3 years or they all reset?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure.
Through word of mouth I have heard you have 2 years to do all your CPL subjects and 36months for your ATPLs... and today I was told that once you sit your ATPL Air Law exam it will expire within 12months unless you finish ALL of your ATPLs.
Any clarification on this issue would be helpful especially regarding the ATPLs (and IREX if that has any effect?). I am planning to sit ATPL Air Law first but I doub't I'll have all my ATPL's done within 12months so if it were to reset it's a bit pointless.
Thanks!
Just wondering - what is the validity of the CASA CPL/ATPL exams?
I couldn't find much on the CASA website... had a look around on http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/download/h12.pdf which I think states something about 3 years validity - ie once you start your first exam - get them all finished within 3 years or they all reset?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure.
Through word of mouth I have heard you have 2 years to do all your CPL subjects and 36months for your ATPLs... and today I was told that once you sit your ATPL Air Law exam it will expire within 12months unless you finish ALL of your ATPLs.
Any clarification on this issue would be helpful especially regarding the ATPLs (and IREX if that has any effect?). I am planning to sit ATPL Air Law first but I doub't I'll have all my ATPL's done within 12months so if it were to reset it's a bit pointless.
Thanks!
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you have 3 years from your first attempt of an atpl exam (pass or fail) in which to complete all 7 subjects. law expires after a year, but if u do law first, u still have 3 years to have them all complete, law just expires and u have to re-sit it. so i would recommend doing flight planning, nav, performance and systems first. then do human facots, met and law last
irex doesnt expire, and i havent heard of the cpl exams expiring either, cpl law might, but not sure.
irex doesnt expire, and i havent heard of the cpl exams expiring either, cpl law might, but not sure.
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ATPL Theory Credit
If you have completed ALL 7 exams(i.e. Passed). How long have you got to un freeze your ATPL. I heard from a mate that there has not been any time limit specified yet, but it may change soon.
The 12-month validity period on the Law exam has been removed.
You have 36 months from your first attempt, to get all seven ATPL exams passed, no special requirements on which order you do them in. Once you have passed them all, you meet the theory requirements for the issue of an ATPL. They don't expire once you have passed all seven parts.
You have 36 months from your first attempt, to get all seven ATPL exams passed, no special requirements on which order you do them in. Once you have passed them all, you meet the theory requirements for the issue of an ATPL. They don't expire once you have passed all seven parts.
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I passed a few subject for the CPLH and then got busy doing other stuff. When I decided to carry on I was told they had expired and I need to resit them....... So the obviously do expire........not just ATPLs.
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what Lasiorhinus said is interesting...
I'd have to look into it. I want this in writing!
I'd have to look into it. I want this in writing!
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I want this in writing!
Partial extract:
11. EXAM CREDIT FOR A MULTIPLE-PART EXAM
11.1 Exam Credit. The CPL and ATPL exams are Multi-part exams, with
each subject part being tested separately as a subject exam. To be
awarded a “full” and perpetual credit for either the CPL or ATPL exam, a
candidatemust pass all subject exams within three (3) years, counting from
the first attempt, successful or otherwise. Once awarded, the examcredit is
perpetual.
11.2 Time-expiry. The candidate is advised to only attempt a subject exam
when he/she is fully prepared, as the time for this three-year period will be
counted from the first attempt. If a candidate does not pass all subject
exams within the permitted time frame, all subject passes will become time
expired and invalid. This means that the candidate will be required to start
the full process again.
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a good way to screw a few more bucks outta ya.. along with having to buy a set of exams if you fail one........and if you weren't prepared and fail that one exam, you gotta buy another whole set, wasting the first set of replacements because you already sat and passed those ones. 
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along with having to buy a set of exams if you fail one
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Never used to be that way. they used to sell you a set of exams. if you failed one, you needed to buy the set again. you couldn't get the individual subjects.
If it isnt like that now, they have changed it.
cost me a small fortune to do one subject I missed twice.
If it isnt like that now, they have changed it.
cost me a small fortune to do one subject I missed twice.
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Yeah, it changed a few years back. Current system is just book and pay for each exam as you go. Total cost is higher than the old system if you pass them all first time, but it's way cheaper if you have any re-sits.
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Hi guys, well I'm undergoing my ATPL exams (UK) at the moment and wouldn't wish this on anyone! But yeah, fundamentally just what that extract said; you've got 3yrs from the 1st attempt to complete them all within which you have 6 sittings to complete all 14 (I don't know why some people are saying 7, maybe different countries) exams. Most schools split the 14 up into two 7 subject periods lasting less than 3 months. SO all going well you should pass the 14 exams with only having used 2 of the 6 sittings, leaving you 4 to sell to someone :-) HOWEVER, IF you should mess a couple subjects up, you still have 4 more sittings to do ALL remaining retakes in. If you exceed those 4 remaining sittings, you bust and start again. AND if you fail ONE subject 4 times, go straight to jail and don;t collect $200 passing go!
Tough but keeps the pressure on you. I've got my first 7 subjects coming up in 2 weeks. Will let you know how it goes.
Tough but keeps the pressure on you. I've got my first 7 subjects coming up in 2 weeks. Will let you know how it goes.
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Cpl Exams
Just a clarification on the CPL exam side of things:
You have 3 years to complete all 7 subjects. This time commences from the date you sit your first exam (whether or not you pass or fail it).
Also the rule that you need 5 hours solo cross country command time as a pre-requisite for writing NAV, AIR LAW AND PERFORMANCE is not true. This is a recommendation and not a requirement. What is compulsory however is that you have a valid ID (ASIC will do) and a BAK signed off in your logbook by your CFO.
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You have 3 years to complete all 7 subjects. This time commences from the date you sit your first exam (whether or not you pass or fail it).
Also the rule that you need 5 hours solo cross country command time as a pre-requisite for writing NAV, AIR LAW AND PERFORMANCE is not true. This is a recommendation and not a requirement. What is compulsory however is that you have a valid ID (ASIC will do) and a BAK signed off in your logbook by your CFO.
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Just a clarification - the requirement to have 5 hours command, cross country before sitting CPL Navigation, Air Law, or performance is indeed a requirement for students completing a 150-hour CPL course.
If you're not trying to get your CPL done in 150 hours / 70 PIC, then you can do the exams any time you want, after having passed your BAK.
If you're not trying to get your CPL done in 150 hours / 70 PIC, then you can do the exams any time you want, after having passed your BAK.
2.8. The Approved CPLA Training Course (150 hours)
2.8.1. The Approved CPLA Training Course is intended to be an integrated course of both theory and practical aviation training. To ensure a suitable level of ntegration, and in addition to the examination requirements for pre-solo and pre-area solo, the following conditions apply.
2.8.2. (a) A student pilot must have accumulated at least 5 hours dual flying training before he/she may be credited with a pass in the BAK examination.
(b) A student pilot must have commenced cross-country training and passed the BAK examination before he/she may be credited with a pass in CASA PPLA theory examination (where applicable).
(c) A student pilot must have accumulated at least 5 hours PIC cross country flight time before he/she may be credited with a pass in the CASA CPLA written examination. Additionally he/she must have passed the BAK examination before attempting the CPLA written examination.
(d) Alternatively, the CPLA subject examination may be attempted after the following phases of training have been achieved:
(i) after passing the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT), or achieving the competencies for the GFPT
(as specified in the GFPT Achievement Record):
• Aerodynamics
• Human Factors
• Aircraft General Knowledge (AGK)
• Meteorology
(ii) after accumulating 5 hours pilot in command cross country time, or achieving the competencies of the PPL (as specified in the PPL Achievement Record)
• Navigation
• Aircraft Operation, Performance and Flight Planning
• Flight Rules and Air Law.
2.8.1. The Approved CPLA Training Course is intended to be an integrated course of both theory and practical aviation training. To ensure a suitable level of ntegration, and in addition to the examination requirements for pre-solo and pre-area solo, the following conditions apply.
2.8.2. (a) A student pilot must have accumulated at least 5 hours dual flying training before he/she may be credited with a pass in the BAK examination.
(b) A student pilot must have commenced cross-country training and passed the BAK examination before he/she may be credited with a pass in CASA PPLA theory examination (where applicable).
(c) A student pilot must have accumulated at least 5 hours PIC cross country flight time before he/she may be credited with a pass in the CASA CPLA written examination. Additionally he/she must have passed the BAK examination before attempting the CPLA written examination.
(d) Alternatively, the CPLA subject examination may be attempted after the following phases of training have been achieved:
(i) after passing the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT), or achieving the competencies for the GFPT
(as specified in the GFPT Achievement Record):
• Aerodynamics
• Human Factors
• Aircraft General Knowledge (AGK)
• Meteorology
(ii) after accumulating 5 hours pilot in command cross country time, or achieving the competencies of the PPL (as specified in the PPL Achievement Record)
• Navigation
• Aircraft Operation, Performance and Flight Planning
• Flight Rules and Air Law.
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It's not that complicated. Regardless of if you are doing an 150 hour integrated CPL / Theory course, like the ATPL exams - "the candidate shall pass the 7 subject-parts of the CPL examination within a three-year period, beginning from the first attempt, successful or otherwise".
"The appropriate level of integration for an approved 150 hour aeroplane course must now be achieved by candidates meeting the following pre-requisites for the commercial licence examinations" - as Lasiorhinus pointed out, there are the options.
Don't believe your eyes - see if for yourself here! - Civil Aviation Safety Authority - CyberExams and the approved CPLA 150 hour course
Also the rule that you need 5 hours solo cross country command time as a pre-requisite for writing NAV, AIR LAW AND PERFORMANCE is not true.
"The appropriate level of integration for an approved 150 hour aeroplane course must now be achieved by candidates meeting the following pre-requisites for the commercial licence examinations" - as Lasiorhinus pointed out, there are the options.
Don't believe your eyes - see if for yourself here! - Civil Aviation Safety Authority - CyberExams and the approved CPLA 150 hour course
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While we're on the subject of atpl's, has anyone ever heard of getting the 3yr limit extended by request?
I got just one of the damned exams to go but am stuck overseas on a job contract till just after the 3 yr expirary date. Stupid to leave it so long I know but i could never justify saying no to paid work to study full time.
I got just one of the damned exams to go but am stuck overseas on a job contract till just after the 3 yr expirary date. Stupid to leave it so long I know but i could never justify saying no to paid work to study full time.
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You also have three goes at the CPL exams, at which point you may get questioned as to why you didn't pass the first three times. They may require you to complete a certain amount of formal ground study before you can sit again.
