Ingham for CASA approved operators only
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Ingham for CASA approved operators only
The RNAV approach plate for Ingham QLD (YIGM) states very clearly “For CASA approved operators only.”
Can others explain the reason for this restriction? Will there be more and more approaches with similar restrictions?
Can others explain the reason for this restriction? Will there be more and more approaches with similar restrictions?
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There's a few of these approaches around the place. They are usually due to terrain with limited circling area or a very restrictive missed approach procedure. Don't know about Ingham specifically, but given a 10nm MSA of 4200' and an airfield elevation of 42' I would say this airfield would be the same.
If you want to fly there in an aircraft that's capable of meeting the missed approach criteria/staying within the circling area, then CASA shouldn't give you a hard time.. tried calling them?
If you want to fly there in an aircraft that's capable of meeting the missed approach criteria/staying within the circling area, then CASA shouldn't give you a hard time.. tried calling them?
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I have asked CASA, however from past experience it could be anything from a week to 6 months to get an answer. I have a feeling PPRuNe, with all the highly experienced professional pilots and their knowledge, is a quicker way to go.
Kalavo, if it has the potential of being a risky place, why don’t they use the radar below 8,500 feet to give an air traffic control service to the lower limit of radar coverage? Just an idea – it is what they do in every other leading aviation country in the world.
Kalavo, if it has the potential of being a risky place, why don’t they use the radar below 8,500 feet to give an air traffic control service to the lower limit of radar coverage? Just an idea – it is what they do in every other leading aviation country in the world.
There are a number of these in QLD - the approach design was paid for by Emergency Mgt QLD for the Rescue choppers into the hospitals. If you want to pay the price I'm sure that an approach could be designed for you. I have heard they may not have been designed to normal PANS-OPS criteria, which would be the reason for the CASA restriction.
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By the way- notice how the Williamtown thread has been removed as predicted. It looks as if PPRUNE is no longer "without fear or favour".
All very sad. I am now motivated by this person to run TV announcements in the Newcastle area so that the public is informed re the needless deaths.!
Copy this quick before it's removed.,
All very sad. I am now motivated by this person to run TV announcements in the Newcastle area so that the public is informed re the needless deaths.!
Copy this quick before it's removed.,
I think Topdrop is on the money. There is a similar approach into Atherton the waypoints for which are on my Garmin 496 but not the Garmin 430. This is really frustrating because I go the YATN a lot and 95% of the time I have to fly part of the GPS RNAV Appr into Mareeba to get visual. I am flying the YATN approach would be a safer option even if the minima were set higher than a typical GPS appr.
Who gives a rats arse who paid for the approach? Its not as though EMQ are in commercial opposition to anyone! As far as I can see they have a monopole - ditto the FD.
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Who gives a rats arse who paid for the approach? Its not as though EMQ are in commercial opposition to anyone! As far as I can see they have a monopole - ditto the FD.
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Dick,
SAAAR (Special Aircraft and Aircrew Authorisation Required) approaches are in use throughout the world, not least of which in your beloved USA. We do SAAAR approaches into JFK and LAX, as well as the seychelles.
I, and any pilot who wants to fly those approaches have to have our operation in terms of aircraft, procedures and training approved specifically for each approach.
So, if it happens in the USA, it MUST be right, right?
Just a thought-if you want to do that approach, why not meet the requirements to get the approval?
SAAAR (Special Aircraft and Aircrew Authorisation Required) approaches are in use throughout the world, not least of which in your beloved USA. We do SAAAR approaches into JFK and LAX, as well as the seychelles.
I, and any pilot who wants to fly those approaches have to have our operation in terms of aircraft, procedures and training approved specifically for each approach.
So, if it happens in the USA, it MUST be right, right?
Just a thought-if you want to do that approach, why not meet the requirements to get the approval?
Masif,
I bet it aint. Us getting SAAAR approval from the FAA (you know, that US mob that make EVERYTHIN easy!!) was a massive undertaking that has taken over a year to date.
But, of course, Dick should allowed to do everything, any time, just like in the USofA (Oh, wait aminute.....)
I bet it aint. Us getting SAAAR approval from the FAA (you know, that US mob that make EVERYTHIN easy!!) was a massive undertaking that has taken over a year to date.
But, of course, Dick should allowed to do everything, any time, just like in the USofA (Oh, wait aminute.....)
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Wizofoz,
You know the "Special Aircrew Authorization", is a bunch of bull. You just sit down and look at a photograph with highlighted artwork before you do the approach. You're not the only one here that's flown scheduled in Dummerica.
If it took you guys a year to get this, it might be time to approach Oklahoma for a new Ops Inspector.
You know the "Special Aircrew Authorization", is a bunch of bull. You just sit down and look at a photograph with highlighted artwork before you do the approach. You're not the only one here that's flown scheduled in Dummerica.
If it took you guys a year to get this, it might be time to approach Oklahoma for a new Ops Inspector.
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flying-spike, please don't go there, the 'needless deaths' argument was and is baseless, was quickly exposed as such, and I presume that's also why the thread was deleted -- it was little less than a thinly disguised attempt to further an ulterior motive.
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hi Dick,
Wizofoz is mostly correct, as was TopDrop.
There are 5 special helicopter procedures in NQLD paid for by QLD rescue and designed in 2002 to special criteria. several in NSW [2001] and another recently in northern NSW.
Until just recently CASA was the holder and distributor of these procedures. The requirement was that the procedure had to be included in an ops manual and that all pilots had to be checked out for the special requirements of the approach [operation of visual approach area - VAA, or special low vis procs]. some of this info is on the CASA web site.
The two approaches mentioned here YATN and YIGM are to unlicensed fields which don't get a full notam service and that is one reason they are helicopter only. there is also a requirement to regularly check the landing areas before use.
The CASA officer who drafted the regulation left CASA and the remaining officers decided they didn't want the safekeeping of the procedures, so they were incorporated into DAP with a warning 'CASA approved operators only'. I believe this was their reasoning [read - I'm not sure of their logic]
Dick, if you want to fly these procedures YOU must get the appropriate training AND approval to use your 'IFR twin heli'.
Dick, you know there already are. RNP-AR procs for QF and GLS procs in YSSY also for QF.
Wizofoz is mostly correct, as was TopDrop.
There are 5 special helicopter procedures in NQLD paid for by QLD rescue and designed in 2002 to special criteria. several in NSW [2001] and another recently in northern NSW.
Until just recently CASA was the holder and distributor of these procedures. The requirement was that the procedure had to be included in an ops manual and that all pilots had to be checked out for the special requirements of the approach [operation of visual approach area - VAA, or special low vis procs]. some of this info is on the CASA web site.
The two approaches mentioned here YATN and YIGM are to unlicensed fields which don't get a full notam service and that is one reason they are helicopter only. there is also a requirement to regularly check the landing areas before use.
The CASA officer who drafted the regulation left CASA and the remaining officers decided they didn't want the safekeeping of the procedures, so they were incorporated into DAP with a warning 'CASA approved operators only'. I believe this was their reasoning [read - I'm not sure of their logic]
Dick, if you want to fly these procedures YOU must get the appropriate training AND approval to use your 'IFR twin heli'.
Will there be more and more approaches with similar restrictions?