HF radio requirements for private ops?
but must still co-inside with a visual fix every 30mins
I am sure that is really important when flying to Lord Howe or Norfolk Is!
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ZEEBEE, do the words "mainland alternate" ring a bell anywhere?
But it was three hours out with a 40 knot tailwind and the nearest mainland alternate is PMQ and that's three hours with nil wind in a Jab.
Any guesses how short they would be with a 30-40 knot headwind component?
Flying onto NF isn't going to work either, so the mainland alternate is not achievable with a Jab230 in any conditions.
I've done the trip a dozen times or so with Be58's and PA31's. Always had an alternate.
As for the GPS fix, I'd have no problems using GPS (take several to be sure) but as has kindly been pointed out, it isn't legal within the VFR
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Not knowing what Nav equipment etc was on board, so lets assume a TSO146 device etc etc...........
The alternate can only be PMQ, and with the average 17 knot tail wind, assume its not worse on the way back, you would make it. But you would need to fly accurate and efficient.
I would want a nice moderate tail wind and a nice TAF at the other end.
I would also have positioned to launch from PMQ to begin with, one hour less out means one hour more juice for a return if need be.
Not what I would call smart thinking there folks!
The alternate can only be PMQ, and with the average 17 knot tail wind, assume its not worse on the way back, you would make it. But you would need to fly accurate and efficient.
I would want a nice moderate tail wind and a nice TAF at the other end.
I would also have positioned to launch from PMQ to begin with, one hour less out means one hour more juice for a return if need be.
Not what I would call smart thinking there folks!
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Just an aside re VFR over lots of water. In 1999, Ike Bartlett, then resident of Perth, flew a homebuilt Mustang II around the world VFR and had no IMC rating. Total experience at departure 250 hours.
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I am pretty sure that Kingsford Smith fella went most places over the water without any TSO 146 GPS, VOR's DME's INS Doppler........
bloody lucky he had a compass and it would have spun around in the storms over the pacific .
How do we get by.........
bloody lucky he had a compass and it would have spun around in the storms over the pacific .How do we get by.........
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I am pretty sure that Kingsford Smith fella went most places over the water without any TSO 146 GPS, VOR's DME's INS Doppler........ bloody lucky he had a compass and it would have spun around in the storms over the pacific .
but they had navs on board who could do sun and star sights as did Chichester.
These guys flew aircraft that often had 30 deg plus drift angles due to their slow speed, so it makes their accomplishments even more remarkable.
My point though, wasn't that it can't be done (obviously it has, and is being done pretty easily these days) but rather the legality within the VFR framework.
I flew an A36 to NZ and back in 2005. Was VFR the whole way, running on a SARTIME.
Didnt have a HF so couldnt fly IFR. The fact I was not IFR did not mean I could not use a GPS to establish my position, if I, and the unit were appropriately rated or endorsed.
That being said, technically for RNAV oceanic, you need to have 2 x TSO129C GPS's fitted, and rated for RNAV oceanic. I only had one.
Not sure about the new rules around TSO146B and its affect on that requirement.
Bevan..
Didnt have a HF so couldnt fly IFR. The fact I was not IFR did not mean I could not use a GPS to establish my position, if I, and the unit were appropriately rated or endorsed.
That being said, technically for RNAV oceanic, you need to have 2 x TSO129C GPS's fitted, and rated for RNAV oceanic. I only had one.
Not sure about the new rules around TSO146B and its affect on that requirement.
Bevan..
technically for RNAV oceanic, you need to have 2 x TSO129C GPS's fitted, and rated for RNAV oceanic. I only had one.
The flight you conducted was illegal!
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HF across Tasman
The rules may have changed since I crossed Tasman 2013. However then NZ would not accept a flight plan unless there was an HF aboard. Seems a little ridiculous though as it would be very unlikely that there was not an overhead RPT at any given time able to relay position reports if and when required.
I did not have an HF but managed to get a flight plan up through Brisbane and have them relay the info to NZ. Did not receive any complaints.
I did not have an HF but managed to get a flight plan up through Brisbane and have them relay the info to NZ. Did not receive any complaints.
