Turbine, multicrew or instructor rating?
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Turbine, multicrew or instructor rating?
Im starting pilot training next year, and eventually I will have to choose between gaining a multi engine gas turbine type rating, multi crew rating or instructor rating.
If you were/are/want to be a student pilot and were given one of these to choose, which one would it be and why?
If any airline pilots are reading what whould you assume would be the best one to choose based on your knowledge of the industry?
Also, the multi crew and turbine ratings are conducted in (i think) B717 simulators and King Airs respectively. If I were to do one of these would I then be type rated aswell? Whats the general go with getting type ratings? I have seen many airline websites that require them, but havn't seen any schools that offer them...
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If you were/are/want to be a student pilot and were given one of these to choose, which one would it be and why?
If any airline pilots are reading what whould you assume would be the best one to choose based on your knowledge of the industry?
Also, the multi crew and turbine ratings are conducted in (i think) B717 simulators and King Airs respectively. If I were to do one of these would I then be type rated aswell? Whats the general go with getting type ratings? I have seen many airline websites that require them, but havn't seen any schools that offer them...
Thanks
Fishing hey, I like it too, but I prefer to catch something like a Barra with lures, rather than fishing for idiots with windups.
However, if you are serious, I suggest you maybe do a little more research via this website about what's best to obtain. And I can tell you now, a multi-engine turbine powered aircraft endorsement will prove to be nothing but useless to you,
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However, if you are serious, I suggest you maybe do a little more research via this website about what's best to obtain. And I can tell you now, a multi-engine turbine powered aircraft endorsement will prove to be nothing but useless to you,
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Damo, I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself with talk about type ratings and multi-crew stuff, unless you're on a shortlist for a cadet programme with one of the airlines (regional or major). In other words, if you're not going to be an airline cadet, you're going to be cutting your teeth in GA like myself and many others did. With that in mind - and as someone else has already mentioned - concentrate on getting the qualifications that will give you the best chance of getting your first job, e.g. instructor rating, or endorsements on something like a C206/C210 (if you don't want to instruct). A multi-engine command instrument rating will also need to be on your to-do list, but again all in good time. I used to see a lot of guys itching to do their instrument ratings before the ink was even dry on their CPL. Consequently they found themselves with a qualification that very few prospective employers would let them use (due to inexperience), thus rendering it useless for anything other than their own private flying - which by now they were too broke to afford after all the costs associated with their training in the first place.
To sum it up: Do your research and choose wisely. Unless you've got more money than sense, don't concern yourself with expensive turbine endorsements or jet type ratings right now. The only two things you'll get are a boost to your ego and a world of pain on your hip pocket. After you've got some industry experience - and when you're ready - you'll find your way onto bigger and better equipment in due course. Patience and persistence...
To sum it up: Do your research and choose wisely. Unless you've got more money than sense, don't concern yourself with expensive turbine endorsements or jet type ratings right now. The only two things you'll get are a boost to your ego and a world of pain on your hip pocket. After you've got some industry experience - and when you're ready - you'll find your way onto bigger and better equipment in due course. Patience and persistence...
Fishing hey, I like it too, but I prefer to catch something like a Barra with lures, rather than fishing for idiots with windups
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Genuine question (look at his other posts)
G'day Damo,
I'm guessing that you're asking this because those options are part of your GFS "package". Be wary of some of these "extras", because they can be expensive and most likely useless options for you when you leave there (as both Pyro and the Bunglerat have said).
Only you know what path you want your aviation career to take, and it's possible that that path may change once you begin to fly. My advice is to not commit yourself to a path until you've got your CPL at least.
IMHO, only instruct if you have a genuine desire to instruct! Do NOT become an instructor purely as a way to hour build: You wont be doing yourself or your students any favours.
AFAIK, an MPL is a "straight into airlines" licence. You may find out during your training that you really like flying (as in hands-on, no autopilot, etc). People have struggled and worked hard to get the "jet job of their dreams" only to be bored stiff after a year or two.
I'm guessing that the "multi-engine gas turbine" endo is for a Kingair. Unless your surname is Grollo, you wont use it for at least a few years after you get it. You can get twin jobs with only around 600 TT nowadays, but no-one will let you touch their Kingair if you're straight out of flying school.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
DIVOSH!
I'm guessing that you're asking this because those options are part of your GFS "package". Be wary of some of these "extras", because they can be expensive and most likely useless options for you when you leave there (as both Pyro and the Bunglerat have said).
Only you know what path you want your aviation career to take, and it's possible that that path may change once you begin to fly. My advice is to not commit yourself to a path until you've got your CPL at least.
IMHO, only instruct if you have a genuine desire to instruct! Do NOT become an instructor purely as a way to hour build: You wont be doing yourself or your students any favours.
AFAIK, an MPL is a "straight into airlines" licence. You may find out during your training that you really like flying (as in hands-on, no autopilot, etc). People have struggled and worked hard to get the "jet job of their dreams" only to be bored stiff after a year or two.
I'm guessing that the "multi-engine gas turbine" endo is for a Kingair. Unless your surname is Grollo, you wont use it for at least a few years after you get it. You can get twin jobs with only around 600 TT nowadays, but no-one will let you touch their Kingair if you're straight out of flying school.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
DIVOSH!
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IMHO, only instruct if you have a genuine desire to instruct! Do NOT become an instructor purely as a way to hour build: You wont be doing yourself or your students any favours
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These people should NOT be instructing, IMHO. Although the regs permit it, there is more to instructing than passing the course. There's been MANY threads on this topic in D&G, btw.
Damo,
the "fishing" reference was that some posters were thinking that you were winding them up.
Cheers all,
DI_VOSH!
My guess is very few CPL pilots with bare hours really truly honestly scouts honour want to instruct... ...This does not mean they won't make excellent flying instructors
Damo,
the "fishing" reference was that some posters were thinking that you were winding them up.
Cheers all,
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If you plan on going the GA route, the only 'rating' that you have listed that will help you get a job is the instructor rating. Unless you really want to be an instructor, I would probably chose an Instrument Rating over this in any case.
There is no rush at this stage. Concentrate on the CPL, get a feel for the industry and make a decision when you have a bit more information.
I doubt you would walk away with any type ratings (you would have to ask the course provider). Some airlines in OZ do require a type rating, but generally you would do the rating after being offered conditional employment with the airline.
In summary, it is tempting to go out and get every rating that you can, but all this is going to do is burn HEAPS of cash. A bare CPL and maybe a night rating will serve you well for your first 12 months in GA.
p.s. If you plan on doing a cadetship the above info may be irrelevant.
There is no rush at this stage. Concentrate on the CPL, get a feel for the industry and make a decision when you have a bit more information.
I doubt you would walk away with any type ratings (you would have to ask the course provider). Some airlines in OZ do require a type rating, but generally you would do the rating after being offered conditional employment with the airline.
In summary, it is tempting to go out and get every rating that you can, but all this is going to do is burn HEAPS of cash. A bare CPL and maybe a night rating will serve you well for your first 12 months in GA.
p.s. If you plan on doing a cadetship the above info may be irrelevant.
So if those who don't really want to be instructors don't, who then, will instruct for say $30 000 a year with a maximum earning potentially of say $49 000 a year?
The fact is the desire to get to a jet underwrites the whole industry. If people want career instructors then they better start paying higher salaries and offer better lifestyles because noone is that stupid. Look at school teachers, start on $40000 a year, 12 weeks holidays, every weekend off etc etc. Compare that to flying instruction. You're cracking jokes if you think that people want a career like that.
Do not do a bare commercial, get an instrument rating at least. The last thing you want is to be bypassed on a twin because you didn't have a instrument rating.
The fact is the desire to get to a jet underwrites the whole industry. If people want career instructors then they better start paying higher salaries and offer better lifestyles because noone is that stupid. Look at school teachers, start on $40000 a year, 12 weeks holidays, every weekend off etc etc. Compare that to flying instruction. You're cracking jokes if you think that people want a career like that.
Do not do a bare commercial, get an instrument rating at least. The last thing you want is to be bypassed on a twin because you didn't have a instrument rating.
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I think that your pay scales for an instructor are a little out of date.
I had a few mates at China Southern, and the Gr3's were on a lot more than 30,000 pa. I know personally G1's on more than 50,000 pa.
CFI's are generally paid in the 80's, and RACWA advertised for a CFI in October and were offering over 100k pa.
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I had a few mates at China Southern, and the Gr3's were on a lot more than 30,000 pa. I know personally G1's on more than 50,000 pa.
CFI's are generally paid in the 80's, and RACWA advertised for a CFI in October and were offering over 100k pa.
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Do not do a bare commercial, get an instrument rating at least. The last thing you want is to be bypassed on a twin because you didn't have a instrument rating.
. Some GA companies won't take you without it. Although if you're going to the Kimberly during the dry to smash out the hours, doing your instrument rating afterwards works as well, but it's much of a muchness. Whether you do it before your first job or later down the track, you have to do it anyways, and you still have to fork out for it.
I actually did my IF rating before my CPL and had 175 hrs when I passed my CPL flight test.
Then paid for a C310 endo
Then paid for a C310 endo
