RFDS SE Section B200's on restricted ops?
Perhaps a better comment towards the -12 would be half the aircraft BUT 66% of the pricetag!!!! Redundancy is the ultimate safety measure in ANY aircraft. And before the 'modern is better' people jump on the bandwagon, please compare apples with apples. A PC12 is a different class of aircraft to a PA31 or 400 series, but it is also a VERY different class to a B200/300 series.
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I would personally like a spare noise maker on the wing. good to have a decent aileron for them hot bumpy days when you might need em too..... and when you select flap in a kingair, you get one........ not a spare wing rotating down to a position below the mainplane. hehehe looks like a turbine biplane.
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now now 'wiz' that's not very christian there buddy, the PC 12 is a fine damn good plane, but not when the 'noise' stops
As with any presure vessel problems can occur with openings, these are being rectified & then the big bad old Beechs can climb back to where they belong, on top!
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As with any presure vessel problems can occur with openings, these are being rectified & then the big bad old Beechs can climb back to where they belong, on top!
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Hey Wally did I mention in that other thread on the SE vs ME thing, that the 'new' PT6-52 (per B200GT) is open to retrofit on any B200 without any additional modification or STC req?
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hmmmm 'jamair' sounds great & I would imagine that would certaintly be the case, now if I can only convince the ones that hold the purse strings:-) Ah look at the average sector times we do down here in the SE section bigger donks wouldn't achieve that much anyway. As long as we have TWO of 'em I'm happy
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Ah look at the average sector times we do down here in the SE section bigger donks wouldn't achieve that much anyway. As long as we have TWO of 'em I'm happyCW
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Real KingAir
Having read this thread with interest I would suggest that the real machine is the B350. 1050 SHP per side. 290KTAS at F270 on 600LBS per hour. And can carry a massive payload!!!!!!! I reckon the RFDS would love the extra room available??????
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hey 'grog' too true, the B350 would be ideal but we don't live in an ideal world:-) The only real advantage would be the load capabilities, the extra speed (around 25-30 ktas ) wouldn't warrant the extra initial outlay. The B350 would require a balanced field length ops & some of the strips we op into are not suitable sadly. To date a 'green' STD B200 airframe costs us around $5.5 Mill, add a med fitout & speced up to our requirments means around $AU8.5 Mill on the road here in OZ. The B350 would probably be around a $1 mill extra, not gunna happen sadly:-( The new B200's currently coming online through out various bases have the Pro-Line 21's, that alone will add to the work load at times being SP in also at times a very busy environment.
If someone could come up with a twin eng turbine press cabin around 12500lbs then they would be looked at very closely, there is not another airframe that can currently match Beech's KingAir's (& Beech know it)hence we have really no choice. Forget the PC 12 for obvious reasons forget the P188 too many "if's"
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If someone could come up with a twin eng turbine press cabin around 12500lbs then they would be looked at very closely, there is not another airframe that can currently match Beech's KingAir's (& Beech know it)hence we have really no choice. Forget the PC 12 for obvious reasons forget the P188 too many "if's"
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The new B200's currently coming online through out various bases have the Pro-Line 21's, that alone will add to the work load at times being SP in also at times a very busy environment
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Proline 21
Proline 21 OPS in single pilot scenario is in my view a fantastic help as long as the destination is in the Jeppesen data base. If not once you arrive in the circuit it is back to the time proven methods and all Ok as long as you remember to inhibit the terrain GIPWIZ button. It is a simple exercise to install user waypoints and navigate to them but remember the rules when inserting user waypoints. Rubbish in = Rubbish out.
In the contolled enviroment though when the wx is crap proline 21 is my best friend. Set it up for the approach and monitor. There are a few tricks to it but once you have the basics you are on a winner.
Having said that one of the greatest negatives is that there is a tendency to have the old head down a bit too much but if you are aware of that issue and you plan ahead its all good.
In the contolled enviroment though when the wx is crap proline 21 is my best friend. Set it up for the approach and monitor. There are a few tricks to it but once you have the basics you are on a winner.
Having said that one of the greatest negatives is that there is a tendency to have the old head down a bit too much but if you are aware of that issue and you plan ahead its all good.
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Dr at times we have a requirment to travel less than 40nm's, this coupled with perhaps a few pvt sunday flyers about means the Pro_line will add time to the task at hand. Don't get me wrong here I am all for advancement but at times 'progress' can be counter productive
Yr used to 5XGPS's & God knows how many other fangdangled contraptions onboard the Bobut you fly mostly for leasure or work that requires a low level of urgency unlike my environment.
"Grog" yr words are correct, in most cases. Yr statement..........one of the greatest negatives is that there is a tendency to have the old head down a bit too much is spot on & is a real concern for us especially whilst the gang get used to all the possible button pushing & looking at the pretty colours.
I don't want to become too reliant on technology, we have seen this to our detriment too many times in some cases, CFIT or "what's it doing now?" is the biggest drawback of that so called advancement.
I look fwd to the challenge but shall keep in mind that I am a pilot first, a systems manager last
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at times we have a requirment to travel less than 40nm's, this coupled with perhaps a few pvt sunday flyers about means the Pro_line will add time to the task at hand. Don't get me wrong here I am all for advancement but at times 'progress' can be counter productiveYr used to 5XGPS's & God knows how many other fangdangled contraptions onboard the Bo
but you fly mostly for leasure or work that requires a low level of urgency unlike my environment."Grog" yr words are correct, in most cases. Yr statement..........one of the greatest negatives is that there is a tendency to have the old head down a bit too much is spot on & is a real concern for us especially whilst the gang get used to all the possible button pushing & looking at the pretty colours
.I don't want to become too reliant on technology, we have seen this to our detriment too many times in some cases, CFIT or "what's it doing now?" is the biggest drawback of that so called advancement.
I look fwd to the challenge but shall keep in mind that I am a pilot first, a systems manager last
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Wally your way out.
Proline 21 is just dandy for single pilot ops.
Makes everything so much easier.
If your having problems give Tim a call.
The GT might not be as good as you think either.
The 350 would be perfect but as you say the regs screw it.
Proline 21 is just dandy for single pilot ops.
Makes everything so much easier.
If your having problems give Tim a call.
The GT might not be as good as you think either.
The 350 would be perfect but as you say the regs screw it.
Nah Wally - I just don't get it, sorry! You haven't explained why Proline 21 would hold you up on your high urgency 40 nm flit!
I think the "Old Dog" may have to learn some new tricks!
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I think the "Old Dog" may have to learn some new tricks!
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nah guys, each to their own.
I don't have to explain it, I just have to deal with it myself & if it doesn't sit well with others then that's your/thier problem.
To me the ProLine 21 is a great piece of kit never said it wasn't just not needed that's all. For more years than I care to remember we have been doing it well & doing it safe without that level of sophistication.
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I don't have to explain it, I just have to deal with it myself & if it doesn't sit well with others then that's your/thier problem.
To me the ProLine 21 is a great piece of kit never said it wasn't just not needed that's all. For more years than I care to remember we have been doing it well & doing it safe without that level of sophistication.
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Proline 21 is the way to go ONCE you are used to it (IMO). Between the previous avionics packages and proline 21 system on offer, whether Single pilot or Multi crew - proline 21 gear is a delight to use.
Initially the set-up time, display alternatives, data access and interpretation (display style) takes time to adapt to. It's is not all monitoring/automation either, reducing the levels of automation and using raw data will enable you to fly it like the older style systems if that is your thing
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The only down side would be that it does take a longer from start-up to taxi, to the tune of 6 min. v 3min. (yes I have timed it).
For several reasons, new B200's are standard issue with proline 21 gear..............so you better start reading those bible width manuals
and start playing MS Flight sim X to get use to it!
Initially the set-up time, display alternatives, data access and interpretation (display style) takes time to adapt to. It's is not all monitoring/automation either, reducing the levels of automation and using raw data will enable you to fly it like the older style systems if that is your thing
.The only down side would be that it does take a longer from start-up to taxi, to the tune of 6 min. v 3min. (yes I have timed it).
For several reasons, new B200's are standard issue with proline 21 gear..............so you better start reading those bible width manuals
and start playing MS Flight sim X to get use to it!
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Proline II is wonderful, I can only imagine how good Proline 21 is!
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sheeeez Dr for a moment there I thought that was the interior of the Bo (but it looked to sparse for yr A/C mate) but then I saw TWO throttles, heaven forbid we can't have that now can we?
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