Food shops in terminals - security risk?
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Food shops in terminals - security risk?
I was in Sydney airport domestic terminal last month and couldn't help but notice Subway's nice sharp bread cutting knife, or an even bigger knife that an adjacent kebab shop had at their disposal.
All it takes is for a terrorist to offer some 'ten dollar an hour' dimwitted subway schoolkid working in the terminal a couple of thousand dollars to have a knife slipped to them...
I posted it in the Australian section of the forum because i'm not sure as to the security requirements of overseas terminals. Sorry if it's in the wrong place.
All it takes is for a terrorist to offer some 'ten dollar an hour' dimwitted subway schoolkid working in the terminal a couple of thousand dollars to have a knife slipped to them...
I posted it in the Australian section of the forum because i'm not sure as to the security requirements of overseas terminals. Sorry if it's in the wrong place.
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Interesting.
I had noticed a couple of years back in Perth that a cafe in the airport had a serrated bread kinfe, which was attached to the counter by a rather thick chain! I had assumed this was the case in all of the food outlets, obviously not!
One would guess there would be some sort of paper trail or 'check' required on the sharp utensils/objects but then again...
Can anyone tell me if the requirement to work at the aiport is minimum age 18? I thought it was because I was sure anyone working airside or beyond the security checkpoint had to hold an ASIC. Which of course the min age requirement is 18. (It is the case for check-in duties)
I had noticed a couple of years back in Perth that a cafe in the airport had a serrated bread kinfe, which was attached to the counter by a rather thick chain! I had assumed this was the case in all of the food outlets, obviously not!
One would guess there would be some sort of paper trail or 'check' required on the sharp utensils/objects but then again...
Can anyone tell me if the requirement to work at the aiport is minimum age 18? I thought it was because I was sure anyone working airside or beyond the security checkpoint had to hold an ASIC. Which of course the min age requirement is 18. (It is the case for check-in duties)
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Ummmm Mods????
All it takes is for a terrorist to offer some 'ten dollar an hour' dimwitted subway schoolkid working in the terminal a couple of thousand dollars to have a knife slipped to them...
a) Dimwitted
and
b) Pose some terrorist threat
they'll be up Pprune faster than a rat up a drainpipe.
Subway garners substantial revenues around the world from airport outlets and I doubt they'll let it pass.
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In the land of security madness the USA, I was surprised I could be screened to within a mm of my life and then buy sushi for lunch along with the splittable wooden chopsticks....... anyone recall the B717 incident in Tassie??
VH-XXX has a good pic of him!
I dont agree with a lot of the security BS however a bread knife like that needs to be chained down through the handle and a handle that has the blade 1005 through it.... like an good quality kitchen knife!
J
VH-XXX has a good pic of him!
I dont agree with a lot of the security BS however a bread knife like that needs to be chained down through the handle and a handle that has the blade 1005 through it.... like an good quality kitchen knife!
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Knives are out hey?
Cant speak for other airports but at YSSY there are pretty tight reg for all food prep places for knives and other prohibited items. Also similar rules apply to the trades folk who work on the shop fits outs etc. I think its a Syd Airport Corp thing and not a CASA thing though.
Just to get a SACL ASIC you have to sit through the exam that covers the rules for this type of situation.
Just to get a SACL ASIC you have to sit through the exam that covers the rules for this type of situation.
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I was at Sydney Airport food court yesterday, and if Anyone, McDonalds has the most dangerous items that could be used. I think it is a real worry, as these potential hijackers are capable of the unknown...
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I doubt it would just be dimwitted school kids behind the counter that would accept cash damo.
What is more probable however, is the terrorist group would get a member to work at the subway or kebab shop - don't you think? Probably a cheaper option...lol
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What is more probable however, is the terrorist group would get a member to work at the subway or kebab shop - don't you think? Probably a cheaper option...lol
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Can anyone tell me if the requirement to work at the aiport is minimum age 18? I thought it was because I was sure anyone working airside or beyond the security checkpoint had to hold an ASIC. Which of course the min age requirement is 18. (It is the case for check-in duties)
I must try and get airside one of these days
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It is a concern that potential weapons can be found in various outlets within the so called secured area of an air terminal but...
I also find it surprising that a number of pilots would disparage anyone of school age simply because they are working at a food outlet..
Is there anyone here that did not get a job when they were at school?
There is no need to make a demeaning statement simply because someone else is earning less than we are because they are still at school or Uni...We were all there at some stage ourselves.
some 'ten dollar an hour' dimwitted subway schoolkid working in the termina
Is there anyone here that did not get a job when they were at school?
There is no need to make a demeaning statement simply because someone else is earning less than we are because they are still at school or Uni...We were all there at some stage ourselves.
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The knives in these shops are tools of trade and allowed in security restricted areas.. There is no point in singling them out as a major threat as there are many other items in an airport or in the passengers baggage that can be used as a sharp item. For example, why not stab someone with a pen or break a compact disk in half.
As part of the lease, these shops would have to submit security procedures to the airport on how they will handle sharp items such as knives in security restricted areas and staff (I am told) should probably have had some type of security awareness training. This is a standard international practice. As to why this shop did not have it chained to the counter, as opposed to other shops which may have it chained...who knows? Maybe it is a new knife and they have not yet got a chain or maybe they don't need to. I am not defending the shop but just making the point that authorities generally know which shops have these items and require them to submit plans on how they handle them.
For all those critics who will come back and say "procedures, how will that protect people?" Well you can find a hole in any security measure, so don't look at it like that, because having no measure means people don't think about security. By having a requirement to implement a measure for handling sharp knives then at least people are more likely to be conscious of the security risks around it.
We also need to remember for all the faults of the security system we have in Australia, it is not designed to stop business from operating, airports functioning and planes flying. The whole purpose of the system is to make sure that people are aware of the threats and that they need to be security conscious. If the security system stopped business from operating then the terrorists have won.
As part of the lease, these shops would have to submit security procedures to the airport on how they will handle sharp items such as knives in security restricted areas and staff (I am told) should probably have had some type of security awareness training. This is a standard international practice. As to why this shop did not have it chained to the counter, as opposed to other shops which may have it chained...who knows? Maybe it is a new knife and they have not yet got a chain or maybe they don't need to. I am not defending the shop but just making the point that authorities generally know which shops have these items and require them to submit plans on how they handle them.
For all those critics who will come back and say "procedures, how will that protect people?" Well you can find a hole in any security measure, so don't look at it like that, because having no measure means people don't think about security. By having a requirement to implement a measure for handling sharp knives then at least people are more likely to be conscious of the security risks around it.
We also need to remember for all the faults of the security system we have in Australia, it is not designed to stop business from operating, airports functioning and planes flying. The whole purpose of the system is to make sure that people are aware of the threats and that they need to be security conscious. If the security system stopped business from operating then the terrorists have won.
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In a previous life as a courier operator, i could walk into the terminal, with trolly loaded with 50Kg boxes of CD's, into the loading zone, up the lift, and into the secure area of the QF terminal... not one security guard, xray, id check, Nothing.. straight off the street (loading dock) carrying as much as i possibly could.
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A deranged person doesn't need to worry about obtaining an implement of destruction from anywhere with the terminal they can just carry a large knife strapped to their body straight thru security if they really wanted to. One made of Carbon fibre reinforced plastic will mane just as well as a metal one. The real concern is what to do once this knife complete with fool is presented to the flight crew in flt! Just how many jet drivers out there have had terrorist training? Few if any I would think.
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Just how many jet drivers out there have had terrorist training? Few if any I would think.
but yeah, i bet a few have psychology degrees or police training, at best?