NZ aviation market - bottoming out
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“They’ve gone through line training with Eagle and they passed with flying colours.”
Since when was failing a check considered 'Flying Colours?'
Not like they are the first ever to fail checks, hell this is Eagle we're talking about. But why the ego stroking bull
?? Who the hell are they trying to fool. The only people that need convincing that these cadets can step up it seems are the majority of Eagle line pilots... and this will do nothing for the cause. 
Since when was failing a check considered 'Flying Colours?'
Not like they are the first ever to fail checks, hell this is Eagle we're talking about. But why the ego stroking bull
?? Who the hell are they trying to fool. The only people that need convincing that these cadets can step up it seems are the majority of Eagle line pilots... and this will do nothing for the cause.
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Oh this is a tasty thread LOL.
From what I heard (source extremely reliable) "Bank Angle" as you call him here pulled a crew up when on a 1F famil flight! Hes not the first to do this either
Bloody funny though
Ummm the answer is NO, it was mentioned by the powers that be but you must remember we are in negotiations and this sort of thing is standard company tactic.
From what I heard (source extremely reliable) "Bank Angle" as you call him here pulled a crew up when on a 1F famil flight! Hes not the first to do this either
Bloody funny though
Does anyone know any fact that Mt Cook are going to be parking ATRs over January / February with crew taking leave without pay?
Just the word going around down here.
Just the word going around down here.
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Regardless of your views on the ctc career path and those who take it, is an undeniable fact that the rest of us had some of the best times and experiences of our life in GA that you will never ever see in 20,000hrs of airline nonsense.
If I had my time again Id still choose my all years of poverty and fun in GA over a huge debt and year 1 pay at eagle.
If I had my time again Id still choose my all years of poverty and fun in GA over a huge debt and year 1 pay at eagle.
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Ummm the answer is NO, it was mentioned by the powers that be but you must remember we are in negotiations and this sort of thing is standard company tactic.
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True, i learnt heaps in GA about flying (and budgeting)and made some great mates, I wouldnt trade SOME of those experiences for anything.
As for speaking up on a famil, i think your damned if you do and damned if you dont.
"the little ctc upstart....WAS DOING A FAMIL, IE: NOT EVEN PART OF THE OPERATING CREW SO HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING."
What a load of bullsh!t. Just because your sitting in the back familing doesnt mean your a total leper. In the organisation i work for i can say with confidence that nobody would mock you if you were concerned and spoke up on a famil. I quess it come down down to how you approach things and whether the crews main concern is safety or saving face.
I find it pretty rich calling him an upstart when 70% of eagle F.O's had similar experince levels to him at this time last year.
As for speaking up on a famil, i think your damned if you do and damned if you dont.
"the little ctc upstart....WAS DOING A FAMIL, IE: NOT EVEN PART OF THE OPERATING CREW SO HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING."
What a load of bullsh!t. Just because your sitting in the back familing doesnt mean your a total leper. In the organisation i work for i can say with confidence that nobody would mock you if you were concerned and spoke up on a famil. I quess it come down down to how you approach things and whether the crews main concern is safety or saving face.
I find it pretty rich calling him an upstart when 70% of eagle F.O's had similar experince levels to him at this time last year.
Year one at Eagle is GA
No turbine a/c capable of 1000ft/min s/e in my GA time....no multi-crew or air-conditioning either....or ops department organising everything, nor reliable engineering services or TCAS or EGPWS or refuellers or monthly rosters or staff travel and MBF contributions.....not even mobile phone coverage most of the time let alone access to a shop to buy food.....yeah eagle is reeaal tough, not sure how you do it !!
I know guys that fly citations, part 91..and theres a few twin turbines operating around on part 135..is that not GA?
Still don't think that Eagle is GA though.It is way more airline than GA.
So.. who is interviewing around NZ as far as airlines go, and what is on the cards for the next 12 months?
Just have an opportunity to gain Single Pilot IFR in a Turbine Multi in my current job up until now it has been VFR only, but will mean another 12 to 24 months before I look at the airlines.
Suggestions (serious ones only please). Do I stay because things have slowed considerably or wait because things are going to be ramping up mighty quick soon?
Just have an opportunity to gain Single Pilot IFR in a Turbine Multi in my current job up until now it has been VFR only, but will mean another 12 to 24 months before I look at the airlines.
Suggestions (serious ones only please). Do I stay because things have slowed considerably or wait because things are going to be ramping up mighty quick soon?
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I'd sit tight for awhile, get that IFR multi experience!! It’ll put you in good stead for later on when the link companies start more interviews. At the moment everyone is waiting on big brother.
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Its going to be a long wait if you are waiting on the big koru. The holding pool they are creating is for use in about another year. And then we will all be p***ed when the new cadet scheme pilots are ready to go about then too I would say, to take their place.
Some interesting NZ Aviation figures:
2564 currently active aeroplane CPL/SCPL/ATPL NZ licences.
1912 aeroplanes are on the CAA register.
315 of those are multi engine.
244 after 71 Boeing and Airbus accounted for.
194 after 50 Link aircraft.
146 multi engine aeroplanes below a B200/Metro/J32 etc
(i.e approx whats left to get your experience on before getting out of GA)
add into the mix the new pilots being trained every year in the whole country, close to 360 CPL(A) for 2008, kinda puts things into perspective...
Edited: got some upto date figures, so now I will make this a new post/thread http://www.pprune.org/d-g-general-av...hot-stats.html
Some interesting NZ Aviation figures:
2564 currently active aeroplane CPL/SCPL/ATPL NZ licences.
1912 aeroplanes are on the CAA register.
315 of those are multi engine.
244 after 71 Boeing and Airbus accounted for.
194 after 50 Link aircraft.
146 multi engine aeroplanes below a B200/Metro/J32 etc
(i.e approx whats left to get your experience on before getting out of GA)
add into the mix the new pilots being trained every year in the whole country, close to 360 CPL(A) for 2008, kinda puts things into perspective...
Edited: got some upto date figures, so now I will make this a new post/thread http://www.pprune.org/d-g-general-av...hot-stats.html
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Prozac.....anyone ??!!
Thanks DeltaT for that illumination.
That is the type of information I need to collate in order to assess whether I get back into aviation or not. My heart says "go for it", my head says "nooooooo......"
On the flipside though, "you have to be in to win", as the analogy goes with Lotto.
Thanks DeltaT for that illumination.
That is the type of information I need to collate in order to assess whether I get back into aviation or not. My heart says "go for it", my head says "nooooooo......"On the flipside though, "you have to be in to win", as the analogy goes with Lotto.
