Red Bull Air race - Qantas Jet flypast
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Keg, not 100% sure, it could have been 93', but for some reason 95' sticks in my head.
I agree a classic would have been a much better act, even just doing the same boring routine, to see a big noisy aircraft would have been better.
Damn I hate those fun police!
I agree a classic would have been a much better act, even just doing the same boring routine, to see a big noisy aircraft would have been better.
Damn I hate those fun police!
I'm with Keg - pretty sure that it was 1993.
The display line was the east west strip if I recall, and the Russians were there with lots of their toys. IMHO, the best Avalon ever.
The display line was the east west strip if I recall, and the Russians were there with lots of their toys. IMHO, the best Avalon ever.
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Unfortunately for aviation officiandos RBAR is not about the bits in between it is all about the TV time to Europe and those noisy little things that fly the course.
The fact that the organisers were able to get the RAAF involved is commendable. QF are hamstrung by CASA who are hamstrung by inaction and lack of innovation. My understanding is that the QF drive by was always to be a 73 as there was not a 76/74 in the shed available in Perth at the scheduled time of display.
Did like the Hornet though.
Congratulations to Perth ATC for designing the procedures and airspace that allows such special events to take place underneath some of the busiest terminal airspace in the country.
The fact that the organisers were able to get the RAAF involved is commendable. QF are hamstrung by CASA who are hamstrung by inaction and lack of innovation. My understanding is that the QF drive by was always to be a 73 as there was not a 76/74 in the shed available in Perth at the scheduled time of display.
Did like the Hornet though.
Congratulations to Perth ATC for designing the procedures and airspace that allows such special events to take place underneath some of the busiest terminal airspace in the country.
Congratulations to Perth ATC for designing the procedures and airspace that allows such special events to take place underneath some of the busiest terminal airspace in the country.
All the NOTAMs/SUPPs I saw accomodated unrestricted 21 deps to the east, so I don't know what was going on.
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Blame the hornet for that one I think. Not able to confirm that he would stay inside R910 to the east.
Probably safer to sit and wait than get hit by a 450+kt manned missile. Also the 73 was not able to confirm that it would remain west of Gt Eastern Hwy. I guess they could have always given traffic and handed their ATC licence in on the way to the foreshore!
Other than those 2 occasions (F18 and 73) traffic at Perth and Jandakot was not really disadvantaged, but as always most pilots think that are the only ones in the sky and cant understand the need to be separated or sequenced.
Probably safer to sit and wait than get hit by a 450+kt manned missile. Also the 73 was not able to confirm that it would remain west of Gt Eastern Hwy. I guess they could have always given traffic and handed their ATC licence in on the way to the foreshore!
Other than those 2 occasions (F18 and 73) traffic at Perth and Jandakot was not really disadvantaged, but as always most pilots think that are the only ones in the sky and cant understand the need to be separated or sequenced.
Maybe the RAAF should have brought a tanker across for a low level full noise display instead of Qantas
Hornets are ok, I guess, but what about a Pig?
They should use every oportunity to get out there before our air force becomes a gelding at the end of next year.
YouTube - F-111 Low Pass
Now thats a Jet!!
It wasn't the hornet it was definately the 737 fly past, closed the airspace for 20mins. The A330 and a regional jet were held up.
Not sure why though.
Red bull didn't effect Jandakot really, other than IFR departures only getting the ARMAD2. We only got boundary traffic on the Hornet and we could easily see him doing his bit without binos.
Not sure why though.
Red bull didn't effect Jandakot really, other than IFR departures only getting the ARMAD2. We only got boundary traffic on the Hornet and we could easily see him doing his bit without binos.
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How about this one YouTube - F4 Phantom 5 FEET low !!! about the 50 second mark.
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That A310 display was just plain irresponsible in my opinion, the spoiler walk down of a big jet does not lend itself to low level maneuvering as can be attested by the wingtip getting as close as it did to terra firma. A slight gust of wind in that turn could have showed the world how good an Airbus is in the famous cart-wheeling configuration!
The Phantoms? - what a machine
The Phantoms? - what a machine
That A310 display was just plain irresponsible in my opinion, the spoiler walk down of a big jet does not lend itself to low level maneuvering as can be attested by the wingtip getting as close as it did to terra firma.
Still, it was an exciting display!
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The display reminded me of being a 17 year old with a freshly minted drivers licence. The boys would all head out to the gravel and show off skidding around bending corners having a laugh as boys (and girls) do. Some spectacles where unreal, others you were cringing and holding your breath just waiting for something to go wrong which luckily, somehow doesn't not through skill, but pure luck.
This particular display wasn't one were you were admiring the pilots prowess, but rather cringing at how close it really was! If the cathay CP lost his job from a beat-up this guy should have been cut, drawn and quartered!
This particular display wasn't one were you were admiring the pilots prowess, but rather cringing at how close it really was! If the cathay CP lost his job from a beat-up this guy should have been cut, drawn and quartered!
I can't see how the pilot would have any idea just how close his wing was to the ground.
If the cathay CP lost his job from a beat-up this guy should have been cut, drawn and quartered!
From the angle of bank you are going to use, calculate the minimum height that will provied the required wingtip ground clearance, then don't go below that on the Rad Alt. For extra safety, set the Decision Height just below that so if you hear "Minimums" then you're too low.
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I rushed down there especially to see it, and was very disappointed! Was pretty high off the ground and just did a few turns! I had seen a flypast on Australia day a few yrs ago and Sunday's was nothing in comparison!
I rushed down there especially to see it, and was very disappointed! Was pretty high off the ground and just did a few turns! I had seen a flypast on Australia day a few yrs ago and Sunday's was nothing in comparison!
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The B743 Classic scheduled for the display was broken, so 738 filled in at short notice. Very little freedom given to pilots by Qantas for the flybys; CP personnally briefs you beforehand on exactly what you can and can't do. More on the nots, than the dos!
Rad Alt for terrain clearance at high AoBs??? Didn't you do geometry at school??
Even for wings level it won't work. As a boating mate says: the sounder is to let you know what your keel is sitting on, not what's ahead. Probably good advice for a high speed aircraft too!!
Rad Alt for terrain clearance at high AoBs??? Didn't you do geometry at school??
Even for wings level it won't work. As a boating mate says: the sounder is to let you know what your keel is sitting on, not what's ahead. Probably good advice for a high speed aircraft too!!
Rad Alt for terrain clearance at high AoBs??? Didn't you do geometry at school??
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CB, it depends on your AoB.
At 20deg AoB at 1500ft, the error will be less than 100ft (96', I believe), probably unnoticeable over typical terrain off airport. So your RA will not "go haywire" turning final at 1500', as you say.
At 60deg AoB, the error will be 100%; ie. 50ft AGL would indicate as 100ft RA. At 75 AoB it's almost a factor of 4 - 50ftAGL = 195ftRA.
And that's assuming zero slope. If flying towards any upslope, the potential for misjudgement increases due to no look-ahead capability.
So I don't think it's a great idea to use a standard Rad Alt for low level manouevering!
At 20deg AoB at 1500ft, the error will be less than 100ft (96', I believe), probably unnoticeable over typical terrain off airport. So your RA will not "go haywire" turning final at 1500', as you say.
At 60deg AoB, the error will be 100%; ie. 50ft AGL would indicate as 100ft RA. At 75 AoB it's almost a factor of 4 - 50ftAGL = 195ftRA.
And that's assuming zero slope. If flying towards any upslope, the potential for misjudgement increases due to no look-ahead capability.
So I don't think it's a great idea to use a standard Rad Alt for low level manouevering!
Avid Aviator,
I was under the impression that radar signals from a Rad Alt went in all directions (not directional like a laser beam), with the first bit of the beam to hit the ground getting back to the antenna giving the readout first, like an echo sounder on a boat and that bank angle isn't a player (unless you are upside down
).
I was under the impression that radar signals from a Rad Alt went in all directions (not directional like a laser beam), with the first bit of the beam to hit the ground getting back to the antenna giving the readout first, like an echo sounder on a boat and that bank angle isn't a player (unless you are upside down
).