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I have just thought of a solution which should please everyone but then realised just as quickly why it would not work..
The company should get this guy into the office or work from home to and pay him a fee per amendment or per hour (whatever) and the company would supply the materials...
But then there are two problems with that..
1:It shows that the current manual has arguably become an unworkable behemoth.
2:It rewards and encourages employee's for lateral and innovative thinking when the people in the office obviously know better....
The sun will rise in the west and the Arabs and Israelis will learn to live with each other before that happens.....
So in hindsight,I agree with Comfy,Twiggs etc...in that no one should show any tendencies of creativity, originality or ingenuity even if it can benefit the company and fellow employees without first approaching their manager and seeking permission to do so.
If such permission is given they should carry out such work in their own time and at their own expense.This will obviously encourage other staff to do the same.
The company should get this guy into the office or work from home to and pay him a fee per amendment or per hour (whatever) and the company would supply the materials...
But then there are two problems with that..
1:It shows that the current manual has arguably become an unworkable behemoth.
2:It rewards and encourages employee's for lateral and innovative thinking when the people in the office obviously know better....
The sun will rise in the west and the Arabs and Israelis will learn to live with each other before that happens.....
So in hindsight,I agree with Comfy,Twiggs etc...in that no one should show any tendencies of creativity, originality or ingenuity even if it can benefit the company and fellow employees without first approaching their manager and seeking permission to do so.
If such permission is given they should carry out such work in their own time and at their own expense.This will obviously encourage other staff to do the same.
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Qantas Intellectual Property?
Isnt that an oxymoron?
How many times has an employee come up with an outstanding idea only to be told it wont work.?
Six months later someone in the citadel comes up with the same idea is patted on the back and the idea implemented.
Management edict one.......if you cant come up with an idea of your own steal someone elses.
How many times has an employee come up with an outstanding idea only to be told it wont work.?
Six months later someone in the citadel comes up with the same idea is patted on the back and the idea implemented.
Management edict one.......if you cant come up with an idea of your own steal someone elses.
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Emergency Procedures Failure Rates
Failure rates in EP exams apparently went through the roof recently.
An investigation found that many crew were using Mr.Rodls synopsis exclusively and not reading the EP manual.
This was particularly true of newer crew.
Hence the injunction
An investigation found that many crew were using Mr.Rodls synopsis exclusively and not reading the EP manual.
This was particularly true of newer crew.
Hence the injunction
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This issue is all about the question of whether the document is controlled or not.
A "controlled" document is one whose issue and location is accounted for, and which undergoes amendments.
The copyright aspect would probably be in there too, but for me, it is by far about the fact that the production is uncontrolled.
The fact that it was uncontrolled, and the problems this would cause, should have been obvious to the creator before he started out.
Could Qantas be more concerned about how it will show in a real life emergency? It is the real life emergency where it counts, but over time, a secondary problem will become evident: the rising EP training costs as the failure rate increases or people spend time "unlearning" those things learned from the uncontrolled document.
As somebody said, the best thing Qantas can do is make the production "controlled" - but there may well be flaws in that approach. Flaws that just make the whole idea impractical.
I would put my money on this being the reason why Qantas has canned it.
A "controlled" document is one whose issue and location is accounted for, and which undergoes amendments.
The copyright aspect would probably be in there too, but for me, it is by far about the fact that the production is uncontrolled.
The fact that it was uncontrolled, and the problems this would cause, should have been obvious to the creator before he started out.
The point regarding crew being confused with amendments is concerned is also erroneous.If a crew member does not amend their manual then they will also not amend their notes and this will show in their EP exam's.
As somebody said, the best thing Qantas can do is make the production "controlled" - but there may well be flaws in that approach. Flaws that just make the whole idea impractical.
I would put my money on this being the reason why Qantas has canned it.
I can see the court of inquiry now,
Investigator Why did you carry out the emergency drill in this manner when the proceedure was changed 8 months ago?
Bloggs Well sir, the cheat sheet I bought says to do it that way.
Investigator Why did you carry out the emergency drill in this manner when the proceedure was changed 8 months ago?
Bloggs Well sir, the cheat sheet I bought says to do it that way.
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i have ep's coming up end of this bp261 so i am gonna bite hard.
1/ how many coathangers are max in fwd f/c j/c cupboard?
2/ '' long before you push the plunger on a bodem?
3/ '' do i get a copy of this guide?
geez, a qf manager missing out on a bonus.... flipping disaster.
a couple of updates (manually) ago i replaced enough paper in my guide and when checking what each change was discovered that most of the 500 pages was to substitute "lavatory" for "toilet"..... another 6000 trees died for this important update. yes, a lot of qcca have been failing their refreshment ep day and subsequent resit but i think this may be a training issue as most have been flying only 6 months and received less training than qal crew did. i would really like an answer to qn 1 and 2, even #3
1/ how many coathangers are max in fwd f/c j/c cupboard?
2/ '' long before you push the plunger on a bodem?
3/ '' do i get a copy of this guide?
geez, a qf manager missing out on a bonus.... flipping disaster.
a couple of updates (manually) ago i replaced enough paper in my guide and when checking what each change was discovered that most of the 500 pages was to substitute "lavatory" for "toilet"..... another 6000 trees died for this important update. yes, a lot of qcca have been failing their refreshment ep day and subsequent resit but i think this may be a training issue as most have been flying only 6 months and received less training than qal crew did. i would really like an answer to qn 1 and 2, even #3
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Answers
1.2
2.5 mins
3.Yes
I have used the study guide for 2 years in conjunction with the manual.
I have achieved !00% in both years and completed the exam in 15 mins.
Thank you RR
2.5 mins
3.Yes
I have used the study guide for 2 years in conjunction with the manual.
I have achieved !00% in both years and completed the exam in 15 mins.
Thank you RR
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Obira
This is how stupid these questions have become.
How can anyone quantify the appropriate amount of time to plunge coffee.?
I woluld have thought it was more an OH and S question anyway.
BTW Obira...you have way too much time on your hands.
The answer is found in the CCOM and not in the AEPM says it all
How can anyone quantify the appropriate amount of time to plunge coffee.?
I woluld have thought it was more an OH and S question anyway.
BTW Obira...you have way too much time on your hands.
The answer is found in the CCOM and not in the AEPM says it all
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Time on my hands?
Hi packrat,
I do agree that this is nonsense. The problem is that we are tested on this sort of nonsense and must therefore study it and memorise it or risk failure. It doesn't matter that it's in the CCOM; we are still examined on this material in EPs and this is an actual exam question. Maybe this illustrates that by using the study guide alone you are relying on the person who created it to be 100% accurate in going through all the changes when the manuals are updated.
BTW I wonder how long the initial extensive testing went on to determine that the TOP (that's Time of Optimum Plunging
) should be 5 minutes and what further analysis resulted in the latest change to 4 minutes. Did they test this on the ground? Have they tested whether TOP varies with cabin pressure? Is there a different TOP for the smaller individual plunger? What happens if you get interrupted and have inadvertently left it for 5 mins 30s? Should you throw it all out and start all over again? 
obira
I do agree that this is nonsense. The problem is that we are tested on this sort of nonsense and must therefore study it and memorise it or risk failure. It doesn't matter that it's in the CCOM; we are still examined on this material in EPs and this is an actual exam question. Maybe this illustrates that by using the study guide alone you are relying on the person who created it to be 100% accurate in going through all the changes when the manuals are updated.
BTW I wonder how long the initial extensive testing went on to determine that the TOP (that's Time of Optimum Plunging
) should be 5 minutes and what further analysis resulted in the latest change to 4 minutes. Did they test this on the ground? Have they tested whether TOP varies with cabin pressure? Is there a different TOP for the smaller individual plunger? What happens if you get interrupted and have inadvertently left it for 5 mins 30s? Should you throw it all out and start all over again? obira
