Go North or get a real job?
Is he trying to say that flying isn't a "real job"? He might have a different idea after hand pumping a couple of hundred litres of gas into a 210 in 40+ degree heat before loading it up to MTOW with smelly brothers and heading off into some unbearable turbulence you can't climb out of for a few hours. That's a "real job" as far as I'm concerned!!!
Bean counters and investors sit behind desks, they are not real jobs!!!! 
Mate you need to get out of your cosy office and see the real world, your view of what goes on sounds very distorted.
Tourism is but a small part of the GA industry. Aviation up here revolves around our indigenous brothers and support for them. (contractors, electricians, builders, and government workers and the like)
If you are expecting to turn up in a suit and have mum dad and the kids boarding your aircraft wanting you to fly them to a five star resort you are way off the mark, more likely to be loading your aircraft full of frieght at 0600 in 100% humidty and heading off into the wet season to a aboriginal community in a rather smelly OLD aircraft, and learning a bit in the process.
Its government money that keeps aviation going and that is unlikely to change. The airline industry is different story, but sounds like that’s a few years off for you.
Mate you need to get out of your cosy office and see the real world, your view of what goes on sounds very distorted.
Tourism is but a small part of the GA industry. Aviation up here revolves around our indigenous brothers and support for them. (contractors, electricians, builders, and government workers and the like)
If you are expecting to turn up in a suit and have mum dad and the kids boarding your aircraft wanting you to fly them to a five star resort you are way off the mark, more likely to be loading your aircraft full of frieght at 0600 in 100% humidty and heading off into the wet season to a aboriginal community in a rather smelly OLD aircraft, and learning a bit in the process.
Its government money that keeps aviation going and that is unlikely to change. The airline industry is different story, but sounds like that’s a few years off for you.
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Tourism is but a small part of the GA industry. Aviation up here revolves around our indigenous brothers and support for them. (contractors, electricians, builders, and government workers and the like)
Thats 700 houses at a million a piece.
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"Just announced $700 million for indige housing"
Does that include the free maintenance they get when they destroy and trash their houses?
What about building them a new house after one of their brothers died in the current one? (I have seen a new paint job fix this)
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Does that include the free maintenance they get when they destroy and trash their houses?
What about building them a new house after one of their brothers died in the current one? (I have seen a new paint job fix this)
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By posting on this site do you really expect to get the answer you are looking for?? If you are absolutely passionate about flying and have a goal to achieve, then you already know the answer (it's pretty obvious that to get an airline job you need hours in the logbook). However, if you are too comfortable to leave the big smoke of Melbourne then trying to justify it with talk of downturns etc is just smoke and mirrors. I was in the same position 10 years ago so I am speaking from experience. Get out there, take a risk and see what happens. It's really as simple as that.
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If you have to ask yourself that question, i suggest take that reall job mate.
There will be plenty off others who dont mind to go up to the NT and do a not so real job.
at least you can carry on dreaming off an airline job one day.
While the other guys and girls will get there.
stay in melbourne mate, that way you will never have to worry about CB's, dirt strip's. interesting and smelly pax. high humitity. hot wx. working out diversions in flight etc.
I did my bit in the NT and loved almost every minute off it.
but then i never would want a reall job lol.
and if i was inbetween jobs and my old boss would ask me to fill in, i would be back in a flash.
anyway, have fun in the real world with a real job. earning real money.
(they pay in monopoly money in the NT)
If you do like to become a pilot than pull your finger, get up north and see what it's like, you can always go back to the real world and get a real job.
cheers
There will be plenty off others who dont mind to go up to the NT and do a not so real job.
at least you can carry on dreaming off an airline job one day.
While the other guys and girls will get there.
stay in melbourne mate, that way you will never have to worry about CB's, dirt strip's. interesting and smelly pax. high humitity. hot wx. working out diversions in flight etc.
I did my bit in the NT and loved almost every minute off it.
but then i never would want a reall job lol.
and if i was inbetween jobs and my old boss would ask me to fill in, i would be back in a flash.
anyway, have fun in the real world with a real job. earning real money.
(they pay in monopoly money in the NT)
If you do like to become a pilot than pull your finger, get up north and see what it's like, you can always go back to the real world and get a real job.
cheers
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I have a mate that whilst everyone packed up and went north kept putting it off and off and off. 10 years later he is living in the same squallor with out of date Jepp packets on the floor and Qantas faded posters on the wall whilst every single person that packed the car and stuck at it is now flying a jet making semi reasonable money. No they are not top earners as jet jobs aren't top paying jobs anymore but they are starting to reap rewards. He on the other hand is still doing in between jobs in unrelated industries.
A million come backs later he's living like a ga bush pilot in a capital city without the flying.
I think you should have a go having invested the money. The music is playing you'd better get up and dance.
A million come backs later he's living like a ga bush pilot in a capital city without the flying.
I think you should have a go having invested the money. The music is playing you'd better get up and dance.
she's over there in the corner and looking hot, she has her eye on you, go and ask her for a dance
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Going North
I dare say its been done to death before but I'll ask the question anyway. I've got the map of the top end out and am looking on where to head for that first illusive job. My plan is to jump in the car at the start of next year with a fresh CPL and MECIR and cut for it.
First stop is Emerald, Longreach, Mt Isa, Tennant, Katherine, Kunnas, Halls Creek, Fitzroy River, Derby and the last stop being Broome if nothing has come up. Can anyone think of anything else that I haven't thought of apart from Horn (I think prospects up there aren't good for a freshy) to head to?
Any advice would be great!
Cheers
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First stop is Emerald, Longreach, Mt Isa, Tennant, Katherine, Kunnas, Halls Creek, Fitzroy River, Derby and the last stop being Broome if nothing has come up. Can anyone think of anything else that I haven't thought of apart from Horn (I think prospects up there aren't good for a freshy) to head to?
Any advice would be great!
Cheers
no oil
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Thanks for the response.
Just to make one thing clear. It put the real job headline to get people to read it. If it was looking like another up north thread I thought no one would bother.
The aim of what I did was to gauge if anyone suggested I hang around and see what happens. As I'm completely new to aviation, I have little idea about how economic events effect the industry up north as a whole. It's not about me not being passionate enough or wanting it enough, It's just sometimes your head has to rule your heart. As EVERYONE has said I should still get up there and go for it then that is what I will do. I was very interested in the comment about up north aviation is that it's alomost recession proof. This was the sort of information I need to make a balanced judgement on going or staying.
I thank everyone for the input they provided and hope that thier career in aviation is as happy and succesful as I hope mine will be.
Cheers
Crank
The aim of what I did was to gauge if anyone suggested I hang around and see what happens. As I'm completely new to aviation, I have little idea about how economic events effect the industry up north as a whole. It's not about me not being passionate enough or wanting it enough, It's just sometimes your head has to rule your heart. As EVERYONE has said I should still get up there and go for it then that is what I will do. I was very interested in the comment about up north aviation is that it's alomost recession proof. This was the sort of information I need to make a balanced judgement on going or staying.
I thank everyone for the input they provided and hope that thier career in aviation is as happy and succesful as I hope mine will be.
Cheers
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few operators in darwin as wel.
Crank, if you are worried about the economics in flying, than i think you are heading for the wrong industrie.
not kicking you down or trying to blow your bubble, but the days you would make a sh#t load off money in aviation are gone, at least for most off us.
but than most off us have lived on 2 minute noodles for a while, i do think that up north with the payrates these days you will be able to change that diet to rice and chikken a few times a week.
I think by the time you make a decent living you will be flying something big and shiny with maybe 4 big engines on it? or maybe 2 very big onces?
I am not really up to speed with airlines however.
If you have a pasion for flying, go north. give it your best shot. look at all the interesting things you will be doing and will be seeing. (crocs buffeloo's big CB's etc)
don't worry bout the locals, they dont eat you. they might smell a bit and if your luckey they won't pee in your plane much lol.
(only once in my case)
Your worst case scenario, you go up north, you do it for like 2 years, you hate it. and than you go back to down south,
what have you lost??
2 years off a decent sallary. and the knowledge that aviation is just not for you.
still you will have a bag full off stories to tell. and you have given it your best shot.
And you never have to think, what if...
because you have done it.
all the best and good luck
Crank, if you are worried about the economics in flying, than i think you are heading for the wrong industrie.
not kicking you down or trying to blow your bubble, but the days you would make a sh#t load off money in aviation are gone, at least for most off us.
but than most off us have lived on 2 minute noodles for a while, i do think that up north with the payrates these days you will be able to change that diet to rice and chikken a few times a week.
I think by the time you make a decent living you will be flying something big and shiny with maybe 4 big engines on it? or maybe 2 very big onces?
I am not really up to speed with airlines however.
If you have a pasion for flying, go north. give it your best shot. look at all the interesting things you will be doing and will be seeing. (crocs buffeloo's big CB's etc)
don't worry bout the locals, they dont eat you. they might smell a bit and if your luckey they won't pee in your plane much lol.
(only once in my case)
Your worst case scenario, you go up north, you do it for like 2 years, you hate it. and than you go back to down south,
what have you lost??
2 years off a decent sallary. and the knowledge that aviation is just not for you.
still you will have a bag full off stories to tell. and you have given it your best shot.
And you never have to think, what if...
because you have done it.
all the best and good luck
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Can anyone think of anything else that I haven't thought of
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i see someone mentioned karatha, They got karatha flying service over there, i droped in there last week for some wx and notams, seems like a profesional and friendly bunch. and operate from piston singles to twin otter. (and maybe more that i didnt see)
Did I miss something or was Darwin missing from your list??
More GA here than just about anywhere in Australia I would have thought.
More GA here than just about anywhere in Australia I would have thought.
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That should be...Karratha, Carnarvon and Busselton.
Not sure that there would be much on offer for a newby at Busselton or Albany....nice wine and waves though.
Not sure that there would be much on offer for a newby at Busselton or Albany....nice wine and waves though.