IFR transponder code question
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What concerns me more here about not getting traffic prior to going into the soup as stated from 'PB" is the fact that he asked a CFI & an ATO !who both gave 'sus' answers!
What's that old adgae? Aviate Navigate Communicate, the last one obviously has the least 'impact' on aviation safety.
Hey
Dr you get to have at least 300' agl, try rotating straight into the soup at night, just watch the dials & turn down the radio if you don't like something you hear
CW
What's that old adgae? Aviate Navigate Communicate, the last one obviously has the least 'impact' on aviation safety.
Hey
Dr you get to have at least 300' agl, try rotating straight into the soup at night, just watch the dials & turn down the radio if you don't like something you hearCW
OK, so you sit on the ground adding to your carbon footprint until you eventually learn from Centre that Old Mate "missed" and has diverted to his Alternate.
Off you go into the wild grey yonder!
You arrive at your destination and fly the GPSRNAV Appr, breaking out right at the minima.
BLAM!!!!
You run straight into Farmer Brown in his VFR 1962 C182 who is stooging into town from his duck farm 30 nm away - at 600 ft, just below the cloud base.
Oh, he did make a CTAF call - just got one digit wrong when dialing up the freq!!!!
Its OK PB, you never knew what hit you!
Dr
PS: Not having a go at you mate - just pointing out the realities of life in Ozzie Class G airspace! Taking off into IMC without "known IFR traffic" is the least of your worries!
Off you go into the wild grey yonder!
You arrive at your destination and fly the GPSRNAV Appr, breaking out right at the minima.
BLAM!!!!
You run straight into Farmer Brown in his VFR 1962 C182 who is stooging into town from his duck farm 30 nm away - at 600 ft, just below the cloud base.
Oh, he did make a CTAF call - just got one digit wrong when dialing up the freq!!!!
Its OK PB, you never knew what hit you!
Dr
PS: Not having a go at you mate - just pointing out the realities of life in Ozzie Class G airspace! Taking off into IMC without "known IFR traffic" is the least of your worries!
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geeez Dr don't scare me like that mate
Yr story is the essence of good airmanship & proper R/T procedures but we are dealing with varying types of skills ALL in the same airspace.
CW
Dr don't scare me like that mateYr story is the essence of good airmanship & proper R/T procedures but we are dealing with varying types of skills ALL in the same airspace.
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Actually, you couldn't be more right if you tried, good Doc 
On that charity tour around the country I did in May, we had a couple of well-meaning farmers with their Jabiru's as part of the contingent, and their antics made me soil my pants on more than one occasion
Now I'm not having a go at the chaps in question, they are bloody nice, very generous and all that, and the experiences I am sharing here are more than anything a reflection of their standards of training, which we should all know about to be able to factor them into our planning
Firstly, the radio calls were what you would expect of a five hour PPL student, if that. I don't think I'd exaggerate if I said they probably simply wouldn't make any calls whatsoever going in and out of the rural strips they normally use. I guess most of the time they don't really need to as they're by themselves in the great outback, but they really couldn't make a call to save their lives, literally
By the end of the tour, I am happy to report, they could actually navigate controlled airspace with some degree of confidence, so we've saved at least a few souls
More worringly, they didn't have the foggiest clue about even the simplest circuit procedures, let alone other things every pilot should know: We had guys barreling down the wrong direction runway with traffic coming down final the other end, taxiing down cross-runways thinking they were taxiways after they made calls for the runway they didn't land on, taxiing down the active runway making calls for a backtrack on the inactive one, they'd be going round the circuit the wrong way, and these are just a few instances where I made a sharp turn and got the hell outta there..
Now, we'll probably be pushing this thread majorly off topic, but I would seriously question the training and testing standards of the RAA in some cases. According to their own publications, this is a known problem they're trying to address, but I am questioning why, in this over-regulated country of ours, these guys are sharing the majority of airfields with IFR traffic, often even RPT?!
Rant over
On that charity tour around the country I did in May, we had a couple of well-meaning farmers with their Jabiru's as part of the contingent, and their antics made me soil my pants on more than one occasion
Now I'm not having a go at the chaps in question, they are bloody nice, very generous and all that, and the experiences I am sharing here are more than anything a reflection of their standards of training, which we should all know about to be able to factor them into our planning
Firstly, the radio calls were what you would expect of a five hour PPL student, if that. I don't think I'd exaggerate if I said they probably simply wouldn't make any calls whatsoever going in and out of the rural strips they normally use. I guess most of the time they don't really need to as they're by themselves in the great outback, but they really couldn't make a call to save their lives, literally
By the end of the tour, I am happy to report, they could actually navigate controlled airspace with some degree of confidence, so we've saved at least a few souls
More worringly, they didn't have the foggiest clue about even the simplest circuit procedures, let alone other things every pilot should know: We had guys barreling down the wrong direction runway with traffic coming down final the other end, taxiing down cross-runways thinking they were taxiways after they made calls for the runway they didn't land on, taxiing down the active runway making calls for a backtrack on the inactive one, they'd be going round the circuit the wrong way, and these are just a few instances where I made a sharp turn and got the hell outta there..
Now, we'll probably be pushing this thread majorly off topic, but I would seriously question the training and testing standards of the RAA in some cases. According to their own publications, this is a known problem they're trying to address, but I am questioning why, in this over-regulated country of ours, these guys are sharing the majority of airfields with IFR traffic, often even RPT?!
Rant over
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On that charity tour around the country I did in May, we had a couple of well-meaning farmers with their Jabiru's as part of the contingent, and their antics made me soil my pants on more than one occasion ...........
PlankBlender, put your 'ultralight' post in a stand alone thread.....I'm off to buy a six pack and kick back and watch
PlankBlender, put your 'ultralight' post in a stand alone thread.....I'm off to buy a six pack and kick back and watch 
Unfortunately, I can't see anything in RA, cause I'm banned in there. That site has some issues with reality.
Dr
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Done! Enjoy everyone, should be an interesting discussion, I'm gonna pour myself a single malt and get the popcorn out
K-whatever, personal affronts are generally frowned upon here, I'm sure we can keep it civilised if we try.. if you have some grief issues because of a tragegy, I am sorry if I have offended you with my posting, but as I've said in another thread, the more people learn from the stories here, the more lives might actually be saved. There's a lot of good experience here that people are willing to share
, and sometimes the form needs to be excused..
K-whatever, personal affronts are generally frowned upon here, I'm sure we can keep it civilised if we try.. if you have some grief issues because of a tragegy, I am sorry if I have offended you with my posting, but as I've said in another thread, the more people learn from the stories here, the more lives might actually be saved. There's a lot of good experience here that people are willing to share
, and sometimes the form needs to be excused..
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NOT This Jaba FB
My trip around the top end was with some ex Airline Captains and GA instructors etc that have been doing this for 30+ years.
Sorry to spoil your gag!
But my post on the other thread might tell some truths and Plankie might find supportive of his article.
And yes any of you who know the RF site at all will know that FTDK and myself are banned due our speeking the truth and it hurting sensitive and often guilty ears!
J
My trip around the top end was with some ex Airline Captains and GA instructors etc that have been doing this for 30+ years.
Sorry to spoil your gag!
But my post on the other thread might tell some truths and Plankie might find supportive of his article.
And yes any of you who know the RF site at all will know that FTDK and myself are banned due our speeking the truth and it hurting sensitive and often guilty ears!
J
And yes any of you who know the RF site at all will know that FTDK and myself are banned due our speeking the truth and it hurting sensitive and often guilty ears!