ASIC Cards and Aviation ID Australia - FINES

[Schmoostyler]

I got a phone call today from a bloke over at AviationIDAustralia(.com.au) . He was enquiring as to the where abouts of an ASIC card I had that expired in October 2007, 12 months ago.

I told him that I handed it in when I renewed my ASIC through the airport I work at, to which he replied, well, if your old ASIC card dosen't get back to us, you get a fine, it says so on the back.

I was bemused. I handed my card in to Airport Management, who wouldn't give me my new card unless I did so, and then they failed to forward my expired card onto this organisation. Now it's up to me to provide a Statuatory Declaration saying that I did infact hand it into the Airport Management when I got my new card, or I'll get a fine.

I'm bewildered that the onus of responsibility for this has come back to me.

<insert sarcastic comment about the usefullness of ASIC cards and the bureaucracy surrounding them here>

[Chu Mai Huang]

Two words:
"BOOL SHEET"

Since when has an expired ANYTHING card been worth anything?
Don't worry about it, go get a beer.

[fallen]

You are required to return an expired ASIC within one month to the issuing body. In your case AviationIDAustralia.

Don't know why Airport Management made you give them your previous card, it's not theirs.

I'd be doing the Stat. Dec. unless you don't particularly care about having an aviation related offence on your record.

[makespeed250kt]

It would seem these ASIC cards don't have much cred with the airforce. Took the kids to the Point Cook aviation museum today. Left my wallet at home so I didn't have my drivers licence.

Showed the security guard my ASIC card which I had in the car, but apparently that wasn't a recognised ID?

Fortunately my wife had her drivers licence with her so she was able to sign us in but I wasn't allowed to pilot the family car past the security gate, so reluctantly had to hand the keys to the missus.

Go figure.

[Old Fella]

ID's

MakeSpeed250kt Off thread a bit I know, but I recall trying to get into a RAAF Base at which I had served for 13 years and, as I was living out of Australia, I presented my ICAO ID, (no good), my HK Photo ID Drivers Licence , My CX ID (both no good). What was acceptable? A paper NSW Drivers Licence with no photo which I could have picked up in the car park. As you said, Go figure!

[Chu Mai Huang]

But his card had expired. In other words, it was no longer valid. In other words, no longer a valid ASIC. In other words, nothing more than a card. Much the same as when it was valid! Just a card. Show us the clause which says that normally expiring ASICs must be returned. There sure is no such remark on the back of my ASIC.
I don't hand back my old credit cards to the bank.

I recently spent two days working on a popular RPT airport interstate. My ASIC was never inspected by nobody. Nearby LAMEs working on the tarmac area did not have cards displayed. If they did - they would be lost in 5 minutes with all the crawling in and around aircraft they need to do.

[fallen]

Chu Mai Huang

Show us the clause which says that normally expiring ASICs must be returned.

6.45 Return of ASICs and VICs that have expired etc
(1) The holder of an ASIC or VIC must return it to the issuing
body that issued it within 1 month if:
(a) the ASIC or VIC expires; or
(b) the holder is notified that it has been cancelled; or
(c) the ASIC or VIC has been damaged, altered or defaced
(permanently or temporarily); or
(d) the holder no longer has an operational need to enter the
relevant secure area.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) A contravention of subregulation (1) is an offence of strict
liability.

[Pilotette]

My old expired ASIC is floating around the bottom of my nav bag somewhere and I've had my new one since the end of last year..should I be expecting a fine sometime in the near future?

[ga_trojan]

I was in a situation where I held two ASIC cards ( I was told that was legal? I can't see how) and once the CASA one expired CASA told me to destroy it. About 6 months later I received a phone call from Aviation ID Australia saying the same as Schmoostyler. So I had to provide a stat dec saying that the CASA ASIC had been destroyed.

[Mr. Hat]

the fine is a big one apparently.

this security stuff is serious. just like g bush said "shock and awe". only that the only people that are shocked are the taxpayers - the real crims think its a joke!

[knox]

My ASICs expired in Aug. Its in a box in NZ somewhere?

Man i hope they don't fine me.... the world may stop!!!


Knox.

Oh yeah... how much is the fine?? anyone know?

[ContactMeNow]

So if you sign a stat dec saying you destroyed it then your off the hook?

Or you can sell your ASIC to some local terror network and then cop the fine. But the balance will give you a nice little profit (need a way of making money in GA right? )

CMN

[fallen]

Oh yeah... how much is the fine?? anyone know?

10 penalty units. I think a penalty unit is about $100 these days. So about $1000

[knox]

A 1000 buck fine eh .... just as well i'm making so much dosh in GA
Wonder if i can pay the fine off over the next 10 years or so.

Knox.

[18-Wheeler]

Talking with a new guy in the company a couple of days ago, he accidentally put his ASIC card into the holder inverted, and one of the scurity babboons pulled him up for it. Mate looks down at the card and so when he holds the bottom up to look at it it's the right way up for him.
"Looks all right to me!" he said, jokingly.
Security babboon was not impressed and gave him a $500 fine for improperly dispalying the card. I think New Mate told him to piss off and threw the fine in the bin.

[PlankBlender]

Your mate should report the security monkey for such obvious misuse of his powers. What a pl@nker! People like that make we want to #$&^%@

[Flying Binghi]

The ASIC....the best thing ever invented to make Oz security look like fools - looks like a 're-think' required here.

[Sunfish]

I sticky taped my old one to the renewal form. CASA issued it, CASA better have it.

[tubby one]

From the Fact Sheet for Security Personnel

How should an ASIC be properly displayed?
An ASIC must always be properly displayed when the holder is in a relevant secure area. An ASIC is properly displayed if it is attached to a persons outer clothing:

above waist height; and
at the front or side of his or her body; and
with the whole front of the ASIC or VIC clearly visible.
A person is not properly displaying the ASIC or VIC if anything adhering to it obscures a photograph or anything else on it.

If someone has an invalid ASIC, incorrectly displays or misuses an ASIC, they may be fined or prosecuted
Strange there is nothing about whether it should be 'right way up'!!!!

[NAMPS]

Oh yeah... how much is the fine?? anyone know?

10 penalty units. I think a penalty unit is about $100 these days. So about $1000

Close. A Penalty Unit is $110.00 (refer section 17, Crimes (Sentencing Procedure) Act 1999).