Avalon Airshow 2009
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The major factor in the future of the show is now whether or not AV will have to have a C-class tower. The chances of that happening are actually pretty good at the moment. Whether or not it's justified is a different thing.
Linfox may find it harder to attract users to AV because they will now have to pay the tower charges. In this case, they may as well use ML. All the advantages they had of operating from AV will be removed. I seem to remember somewhere that Jetstar were talking about relocating to ML if a C-class tower was put in at AV.
In other words, the effect of the C-class tower of movement numbers is unclear. The other thing to remember is that the airshow is contracted to AV until 2015.
As for alternatives, there aren't many airports as big as AV that close to major population centres in Australia. The capital airports would have to be out of the question.
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Linfox may find it harder to attract users to AV because they will now have to pay the tower charges. In this case, they may as well use ML. All the advantages they had of operating from AV will be removed. I seem to remember somewhere that Jetstar were talking about relocating to ML if a C-class tower was put in at AV.
In other words, the effect of the C-class tower of movement numbers is unclear. The other thing to remember is that the airshow is contracted to AV until 2015.
As for alternatives, there aren't many airports as big as AV that close to major population centres in Australia. The capital airports would have to be out of the question.
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I seem to remember somewhere that Jetstar were talking about relocating to ML if a C-class tower was put in at AV.
Found out last week I don't get to talk to aeroplanes next year at Avalon. Not sure I'll go.
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1. No hardstand parking is available for the warbirds because it is all needed for the heavy stuff.
So, there is some hardstand parking for warbirds - perhaps not enough though?
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Avalon Airshow 2009 - Accommodation available
Hi all,
We are making our 5 bedroom house in Geelong West available to rent during Avalon Airshow March 2009.
It is available from Monday 9th to Sunday 15th March 2009.
Please contact me for further details
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We are making our 5 bedroom house in Geelong West available to rent during Avalon Airshow March 2009.
It is available from Monday 9th to Sunday 15th March 2009.
Please contact me for further details
Regards Jude
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Walrus, what is your point? Are saying that people won't visit the airshow because of the airways charges from a tower? Surely not. If you're talking $10 to land once at Avalon main for the airshow across a whole weekend I really don't think anyone is going to stay home because of that.
How many people actually land at Avalon during the week other than Jetstar as there are no GA facilities there, meaning you can't even get off the tarmac once you arrive (unless you have a very special prior arrangement)?
Don't Linfox charge for an ILS now anyway? Therefore, why would a tower stop people flying into Avalon because bugger-all fly in there anyway?
For those that haven't been there during the airshow, the RPT traffic comes and goes without issue and passengers are provided with an alternate entrance to the airport terminal when they show their ticket to security.
How many people actually land at Avalon during the week other than Jetstar as there are no GA facilities there, meaning you can't even get off the tarmac once you arrive (unless you have a very special prior arrangement)?
Don't Linfox charge for an ILS now anyway? Therefore, why would a tower stop people flying into Avalon because bugger-all fly in there anyway?
For those that haven't been there during the airshow, the RPT traffic comes and goes without issue and passengers are provided with an alternate entrance to the airport terminal when they show their ticket to security.
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"XXX" actually we fly into AV a fair bit, seems a waste of resource to me but we do:-) I enjoy the over 3k's of tar, one can make the old Beech do some amazing tricks with that much black stuff laid out in front of you:-)
I flew into AV during the last airshow, was fun to have it all stop for our arrival
Anyway AV I believe is still ideal for an Airshow. As for the tower? Well it's all about cost.
CW
I flew into AV during the last airshow, was fun to have it all stop for our arrival
Anyway AV I believe is still ideal for an Airshow. As for the tower? Well it's all about cost.
CW
Read it again
XXX
Walrus was talking about JQ's reaction to a class C tower being permanently established at Avalon.
Walrus was talking about JQ's reaction to a class C tower being permanently established at Avalon.
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Read it again Horatio?
Perhaps you should.
Walrus stated the following:
"The major factor in the future of the show is now whether or not AV will have to have a C-class tower. The chances of that happening are actually pretty good at the moment."
I can't see any reason whatsoever why this would be true!
Perhaps he meant, "The major factor in the future for Jetstar using Avalon is whether or not AV will have a C-class tower"
Capt, it's just an assumption of mine that you guys fly in almost anywhere. There doesn't seem to be many full stops at Avalon apart from the RPT and occasional aeromed.
Perhaps you should.
Walrus stated the following:
"The major factor in the future of the show is now whether or not AV will have to have a C-class tower. The chances of that happening are actually pretty good at the moment."
I can't see any reason whatsoever why this would be true!
Perhaps he meant, "The major factor in the future for Jetstar using Avalon is whether or not AV will have a C-class tower"
Capt, it's just an assumption of mine that you guys fly in almost anywhere. There doesn't seem to be many full stops at Avalon apart from the RPT and occasional aeromed.
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People and XXX,
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. External considerations prevented me from logging in. All sorted now.
OK, my contention is that if the traffic at AV gets to the level that demands a C-class tower, then an airshow there will be impractical. As Linfox would rather have the traffic than the airshow, I can see that the airshow's days would be numbered after 2015. The paradox is that if a C-class goes in full time, JQ will probably abandon ship to ML, which would in turn reduce the traffic at AV below that needed to demand a tower.
It all hinges on whether or not JQ are serious about heading for ML, or are they just rattling sabres.
Either way, I suspect that Linfox will not be in a hurry to extend the airshow agreement beyond 2015.
Walrus
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. External considerations prevented me from logging in. All sorted now.
OK, my contention is that if the traffic at AV gets to the level that demands a C-class tower, then an airshow there will be impractical. As Linfox would rather have the traffic than the airshow, I can see that the airshow's days would be numbered after 2015. The paradox is that if a C-class goes in full time, JQ will probably abandon ship to ML, which would in turn reduce the traffic at AV below that needed to demand a tower.
It all hinges on whether or not JQ are serious about heading for ML, or are they just rattling sabres.
Either way, I suspect that Linfox will not be in a hurry to extend the airshow agreement beyond 2015.
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The Office of Airspace Regulation may one day mandate a Class C service at Avalon, which would require Airservices to man the tower as required, but this would not neccessitate a Class C service during the airshow. OAR retain the ability to temporarily re-designate airspace, and I'll bet one shiny oxford scholar they will (again) promulgate temporary airspace that will permit modified GAAP, regardless of what applies the rest of the year.
And fair enuf too.
And fair enuf too.
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Richmond AFB would'nt be a bad idea I thought? It was a great set-up in '91?
I remember the first one at Avalon well. It was wet alright at least the ground was. I flew my family in in a c172 and had to land at Lovely Banks strip due to the wet conditions forcing the Avalon East stip to be abandoned. So too was the camping ground as we all camped in the wool sheds instead. The show itself was good though as was the one at Richmond that preceeded it a couple of years prior. My memories of that was the military controllers being overwhelmed by all the traffic and many having to divert to Scofields to land. Good memories.
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Sorry to not comment on this tower business...
I absolutely hate the American commentary over their F-16 displays. They might as well record and loop some ridiculously America-proud citizen commentator yelling "We are better than you, than everyone actually, don't mess with us, cause our planes are the s**t!"
I would like to see a flyable F-35 there, people are hanging out for one, and because we are gonna get them one day, they might as well...
I absolutely hate the American commentary over their F-16 displays. They might as well record and loop some ridiculously America-proud citizen commentator yelling "We are better than you, than everyone actually, don't mess with us, cause our planes are the s**t!"
I would like to see a flyable F-35 there, people are hanging out for one, and because we are gonna get them one day, they might as well...
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Spodman,
If the OAR mandates a C-class tower for AV because of the RPT, why would they downgrade it during the airshow? The RPT traffic level won't be changing when the show is on.
Damo,
The worst part of the US commentary is that it's actually a recording. And in the F-16 (or is that F-15?) sequence, there is an error that gets played every show. Right now I can't remember what it is, but would know it again if I heard it.
Walrus
If the OAR mandates a C-class tower for AV because of the RPT, why would they downgrade it during the airshow? The RPT traffic level won't be changing when the show is on.
Damo,
The worst part of the US commentary is that it's actually a recording. And in the F-16 (or is that F-15?) sequence, there is an error that gets played every show. Right now I can't remember what it is, but would know it again if I heard it.
Walrus