Merged: Ciggies Debate - Time to ban Duty Free?
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Drugs.
Tobaco and alcohol are drugs and drugs are used generate revenue by governments. The Australian government is the biggest drug dealing organisation in Australia. I also found it strange that I could buy scotch whisky cheaper in Australia than in England. Looks like the English government is doing well out of it too.
CC If you think you may try to give up smoking some time soon, then you are not serious about it. and will not suceed. To suceed you need to say "I will never smoke again for my whole life, starting now. No exceptions"
Smoking is disgusting. If you smoke in my house, I will piss in yours.
CC If you think you may try to give up smoking some time soon, then you are not serious about it. and will not suceed. To suceed you need to say "I will never smoke again for my whole life, starting now. No exceptions"
Smoking is disgusting. If you smoke in my house, I will piss in yours.
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It is an interesting hijack though captain. The amount of social stigma and vehement anger directed at smokers when the health and social costs of alcohol are either minimised or ignored is hypocrytical in the extreme. You can advertise, sponsor and encourage alcohol consumption and it's all good. You smoke a couple of durries and you get people trying on the guilt trip about health costs, forgetting the higher more destructive costs of other drugs. Can't wait to see the pictures of battered wives, car accidents and destroyed livers on the Grange.
Maybe because it's more accepted and doctors and pollies own wineries. It does get my goat up though when my taxpaying on my ciggies has more than paid for any health care I might need, I've also paid for the coppers, judges, screws and lawyers in dealing with the social costs of alcohol. Yet I have someone making me feel like a dog for enjoying, yes enjoying my own preffered drug of nicotine. They should just ban everything and live in boxes, we obviously can't take care of ourselves.
Oh and I don't care if they ban booze sales on the aircraft coz I don't drink and get pretty fed up with people stuffing their overheads with the 2 bottles, oversize bags, perfumes, camera's, gps units. Mind you the missus will be a little annoyed, which will then ensure I am annoyed.
Maybe because it's more accepted and doctors and pollies own wineries. It does get my goat up though when my taxpaying on my ciggies has more than paid for any health care I might need, I've also paid for the coppers, judges, screws and lawyers in dealing with the social costs of alcohol. Yet I have someone making me feel like a dog for enjoying, yes enjoying my own preffered drug of nicotine. They should just ban everything and live in boxes, we obviously can't take care of ourselves.
Oh and I don't care if they ban booze sales on the aircraft coz I don't drink and get pretty fed up with people stuffing their overheads with the 2 bottles, oversize bags, perfumes, camera's, gps units. Mind you the missus will be a little annoyed, which will then ensure I am annoyed.
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Allowing pax to carry such quantities of flammable liquids on board negates all the effort that manufacturers and modifiers go to in order to comply with flammability, smoke and heat release requirements for interior materials. I don't object to a ban of alcohol/perfume on-board.
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Until any item is banned its a persons right to buy it.
They modify laws such as x-rated magazines in sealed plastic wrappers or out of view ,no advertising of smokes etc,and restricting places you can have a smoke.
Many moons ago you could smoke anywhere.Disco,s were full of smoke(no extraction fans then),but hotels shut at 6pm.
Imagine going back to 6pm-geez what an outcry,but would reduce alcohol related instances by a bloody lot.
Have never seen figures on health way back,but its got to be worse now
old days-----fly swat-now fill house up with motein
less cars-now -cars everywhere
more metal in cars--now plastic(ever noticed white film on windows of new cars for the first 6 months-all the toxins coming out of plastics etc--ok-thats in sunny places.
Al Fresco dining--sucking in car fumes.
Ok -lets ban cars ,sorry put a restriction in place--only small engines---can use 3 times a week to do shopping-
Many major cities like Mexico city have respitary problems because they are covered in smog and i bet its not because the whole population is smoking 6 packets of fags a day.
With restrictions or not,if its legal to sell then whats all the who-ha about
They modify laws such as x-rated magazines in sealed plastic wrappers or out of view ,no advertising of smokes etc,and restricting places you can have a smoke.
Many moons ago you could smoke anywhere.Disco,s were full of smoke(no extraction fans then),but hotels shut at 6pm.
Imagine going back to 6pm-geez what an outcry,but would reduce alcohol related instances by a bloody lot.
Have never seen figures on health way back,but its got to be worse now
old days-----fly swat-now fill house up with motein
less cars-now -cars everywhere
more metal in cars--now plastic(ever noticed white film on windows of new cars for the first 6 months-all the toxins coming out of plastics etc--ok-thats in sunny places.
Al Fresco dining--sucking in car fumes.
Ok -lets ban cars ,sorry put a restriction in place--only small engines---can use 3 times a week to do shopping-
Many major cities like Mexico city have respitary problems because they are covered in smog and i bet its not because the whole population is smoking 6 packets of fags a day.
With restrictions or not,if its legal to sell then whats all the who-ha about
Grandpa Aerotart
Isn't it interesting that at the same time QF has started to roll out the sale of cigarettes again on their LH flights, former tobacco executive Paul Rayner has been appointed to fill a casual vacancy on the Qantas board.
While the dangers of smoking have been overstated now for decades the dangers of drinking have been understated for at least as long.
Bushy I would never smoke in another persons house or car or even in their close proximity if they were non smokers. I don't force my habit on other people EVER!
All those of you who drink, occasionally to excess, want some bad news?
Studies indicate alcohol is one of the bigger contributors to cancer. So you can sit there all high and mighty with your 4th whisky or beer in your hand feeling all smug as you slag off a smoker but you are taking a very similar risk.
The BIG difference is that smoking doesn't lead to spousal or child abuse, fatal car accidents, bar brawls, soccer hoodlums and sundry other social maladies we suffer from in this day and age. David Hooks (the cricketer) was not punched and killed by someone suffering the effects of too many cigarettes. All second hand smoke does is cause your clothes to smell a bit...not fatal last I heard.
So why don't you get off your high horses and learn to be a little tolerant of others.
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Go Chimbu!
I don't have anything against smokers.
But hey, do you think that the sports groups that QF sponsor would be happy? The Government could also be selling smokes in each of their departments without breaking the law! Heck we could even have a vending machine in each CASA district office!
But, i think it also comes down to a moral issue - and QF seem to have taken a backflip. But then again, what's new?
Bo!
I don't have anything against smokers.
But hey, do you think that the sports groups that QF sponsor would be happy? The Government could also be selling smokes in each of their departments without breaking the law! Heck we could even have a vending machine in each CASA district office!
But, i think it also comes down to a moral issue - and QF seem to have taken a backflip. But then again, what's new?
Bo!
30kina for a carton on PX when I was up there doing CNS-POM... With discount, $23 a carton on NLK when I went there... about $9 a carton in hongkong, but they blow your head off... $38 for a twin pack of bundy/jimmy.
Oh how i miss international flying!
Look, back OT - the smokes weigh less than a bottle of grog, they'd make a decent profit from them, sure theyre not good for you but neither is the airline food, nor is sitting still for 22hours to LHR etc... As someone who used to sell duty free at QF, I was never tempted to buy anything from the catalogue - its cheaper in the arrivals hall. That said, more often than not, would sell $1000-$3000 on an 8hour flight (up to $6500 was my record on SIN-PER @ christmas). Thats a lot of $$$, and no doubt a lot of profit!
Its about money not morals.
Oh how i miss international flying!
Look, back OT - the smokes weigh less than a bottle of grog, they'd make a decent profit from them, sure theyre not good for you but neither is the airline food, nor is sitting still for 22hours to LHR etc... As someone who used to sell duty free at QF, I was never tempted to buy anything from the catalogue - its cheaper in the arrivals hall. That said, more often than not, would sell $1000-$3000 on an 8hour flight (up to $6500 was my record on SIN-PER @ christmas). Thats a lot of $$$, and no doubt a lot of profit!
Its about money not morals.
Grandpa Aerotart
But, i think it also comes down to a moral issue
Something like young pre pubescent girls having sexually charged pictures taken of them by an adult and displayed as 'art' has a moral dimension that perhaps society at large might want to decide on. Perhaps media bias in reporting has a moral element. Political spin has a moral dimension that society should worry about.
These are things that can, and do, damage our society, in every sense of that word, smoking does not.
The problem we face culturally is that single issue advocasy and an intellectually lazy population has seriously damaged our ability to decide what is a moral issue and what is a harmless (to others) personal choice.
Fair point chimbu,
but if it wasn't morals - why is there such a stink about it?
Why are people expressing the view 'it's not right', 'think of the children', 'its a filty habit and its being encouraged'...?
By definition perhaps its an opinion - but there's a fair bit of emotion surrounding the issue...
but if it wasn't morals - why is there such a stink about it?
Why are people expressing the view 'it's not right', 'think of the children', 'its a filty habit and its being encouraged'...?
By definition perhaps its an opinion - but there's a fair bit of emotion surrounding the issue...
