Moorabbin Airport as well
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Moorabbin Airport as well
Just in case you thought it was only EN having all the fun!
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ssociation.pdf
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ion_MADILL.pdf
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ssociation.pdf
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ion_MADILL.pdf
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Speaking of Essendan and Moorabin, nice wind today, got blown around like a leaf in a hurricane on approach and landing.
Even the ole 330 the other night flown by QF had an interesting bumpy approach (with a greaser of a landing i must say
) and for once, the trolly dollys were of a nice standard.
Even the ole 330 the other night flown by QF had an interesting bumpy approach (with a greaser of a landing i must say
) and for once, the trolly dollys were of a nice standard.
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A couple of real loony tunes there. I wonder if the Tom Uren of MARA is the one of ALP fame?
At least the letter from the Dingley Villiage was not demanding the closure of the airport. Just complaining about the noise in general. Uren's letter on the other hand was a bit emotive and il informed to say the least.
At least the letter from the Dingley Villiage was not demanding the closure of the airport. Just complaining about the noise in general. Uren's letter on the other hand was a bit emotive and il informed to say the least.
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I love this stuff.
In the first document:
According to point 23. No one that operates into YMMB reads the ERSA.
And in 24. Transponders are today apparently optional in GAAP airspace.
And in 28. the security controls implemented are to protect privately owned aircraft rather than national security...joke that they are.
The second one is at least trying to be constructive and aimed more at the development side of the land being inapproporiate. Plus the usual noise complaints.
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In the first document:
According to point 23. No one that operates into YMMB reads the ERSA.
And in 24. Transponders are today apparently optional in GAAP airspace.
And in 28. the security controls implemented are to protect privately owned aircraft rather than national security...joke that they are.
The second one is at least trying to be constructive and aimed more at the development side of the land being inapproporiate. Plus the usual noise complaints.
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What a joke these groups are, it's a blessing they just seem to be unfocussed, disorganised venting points for irrational anger of people who are kidding themselves.
As they say in their submissions, they are being ignored by pretty much everybody. And so should they be. If you move near an airport, you must reasonably expect that there will be noise, and that it will not decrease in the future. They got their properties at a discount, someone needs to tell them that there's no such thing as a free lunch. Sad tw
s!
I have friends who live right under the flight path of runway 17L/35R at YMMB, only about ten houses from the fence, so they would be one of the most affected by the noise, supposedly, as most of the approach/take-off paths are over the golf course or industrial estates.
We've had many an afternoon/evening BBQ in their back yard and even when the twins take off right over the house (and they're of course only a small proportion of the YMMB movements, and only when 17 is in use, which is less than half the time), it's a few seconds of noise which doesn't stop any conversation, and is quite bearable. Nothing more than a Harley or one of those ridiculous Hoon exhaust fitted cars going by the front of the house, the latter of which some of these idts who are complaining about aircraft are noise-polluting the area with themselves, might I add 
, there's a few of those around in the area..
The singles taking off don't really bother anyone at all, and almost all landing aircraft when they're low over the houses have very little power on so there's barely a whistle. Much less noise than a car on the road, anyway!
If they were making more of a well-put point, it might even make sense to send someone around to one of their meetings and give them a little speech, with some noise measurements and comparative figures, plus a little reminder of how much less they paid for their houses.
They way things are, they are but an amusement
As they say in their submissions, they are being ignored by pretty much everybody. And so should they be.
If you move near an airport, you must reasonably expect that there will be noise, and that it will not decrease in the future. They got their properties at a discount, someone needs to tell them that there's no such thing as a free lunch. Sad tws!I have friends who live right under the flight path of runway 17L/35R at YMMB, only about ten houses from the fence, so they would be one of the most affected by the noise, supposedly, as most of the approach/take-off paths are over the golf course or industrial estates.
We've had many an afternoon/evening BBQ in their back yard and even when the twins take off right over the house (and they're of course only a small proportion of the YMMB movements, and only when 17 is in use, which is less than half the time), it's a few seconds of noise which doesn't stop any conversation, and is quite bearable. Nothing more than a Harley or one of those ridiculous Hoon exhaust fitted cars going by the front of the house, the latter of which some of these id
ts who are complaining about aircraft are noise-polluting the area with themselves, might I add , there's a few of those around in the area..The singles taking off don't really bother anyone at all, and almost all landing aircraft when they're low over the houses have very little power on so there's barely a whistle. Much less noise than a car on the road, anyway!
If they were making more of a well-put point, it might even make sense to send someone around to one of their meetings and give them a little speech, with some noise measurements and comparative figures, plus a little reminder of how much less they paid for their houses.
They way things are, they are but an amusement
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Mr. Flog, I would go as far as to say that all 3 of those points are correct. True about ERSA (particularly after hours ops), definitely true about Transponders, not required and yes, most of the security is dedicated to protecting aircraft, however a side-effect is that it keeps out undesirables, but not plane spotters as they are allowed airside 
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I started flying at MB about 4 years ago. Since moved around the place but in such a (relatively) short time, its amazing to see just how developed the area has become- especially the training area.
There has always been some Noise Abatement around there. Obviously the residents don't think that its enough- maybe some of those freeway-style noise blockers will help??? (Knock down some homes first so we don't lose obstacle gradients!!!)
Like many, I cannot figure out why people complain about the noise when they know the airport is there.
Such is life though and unfortunately the minority do win in some cases.
There has always been some Noise Abatement around there. Obviously the residents don't think that its enough- maybe some of those freeway-style noise blockers will help??? (Knock down some homes first so we don't lose obstacle gradients!!!)
Like many, I cannot figure out why people complain about the noise when they know the airport is there.
Such is life though and unfortunately the minority do win in some cases.
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We all could do the reverse here, complain about the houses in our path should we have an engine failure with no where to go due homes!
The road users have an emergency lane (most times) in which to use should a vehicle stop, what do we pilots have as an 'out' after T/off?, choose the biggest backyard! I say bulldoze the homes in line with every rwy for about a mile or so, like it was when first the rwys where constructed, no one asked us can they build there !
FG
The road users have an emergency lane (most times) in which to use should a vehicle stop, what do we pilots have as an 'out' after T/off?, choose the biggest backyard! I say bulldoze the homes in line with every rwy for about a mile or so, like it was when first the rwys where constructed, no one asked us can they build there !
FG
