How goes the REX EBA "negotiations" ?
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RENURPP: I am in aggreeance with you. You make a good case for a 6 year old!
Given that we (or at least I) haven't heard squat from AFAP lately, I am increasingly sure that all the souls that have invested a %age of their salary to join the AFAP union, have wasted their money. Toothless tiggers if you ask me!
While ever there is a pilot fear of "rocking the boat", or being seen to create adverse ripples against the employer, I do not believe that pilots at this stage can fully benefit (in terms of gaining a well rounded EPA with genuine salary packages), from the current pilot shortage.
In my experience operators, big and small, all over the land of Oz, will use and abuse pilots 'till the cows come home. And why not? They have been able to get away with it and its smart business operation. Now rears the ugly head of arrogance as seen by REX and QF. I bet they hope against all hope they can ride it out and come out the other end operationally in tact with pilots on s**t wages. Being on the wrong end of that management idealogy is no longer acceptable
Media coverage would be a huge card to have - the more noise, the better! 
Wether it takes the TWU or AFAP to get the job done, it doesn't matter. But until pilots organise someone and/or themselves to shake the s**t out of management trees, in my view, nothings going to change much.
10 - 4 out.
Given that we (or at least I) haven't heard squat from AFAP lately, I am increasingly sure that all the souls that have invested a %age of their salary to join the AFAP union, have wasted their money. Toothless tiggers if you ask me!
While ever there is a pilot fear of "rocking the boat", or being seen to create adverse ripples against the employer, I do not believe that pilots at this stage can fully benefit (in terms of gaining a well rounded EPA with genuine salary packages), from the current pilot shortage.
In my experience operators, big and small, all over the land of Oz, will use and abuse pilots 'till the cows come home. And why not? They have been able to get away with it and its smart business operation. Now rears the ugly head of arrogance as seen by REX and QF. I bet they hope against all hope they can ride it out and come out the other end operationally in tact with pilots on s**t wages. Being on the wrong end of that management idealogy is no longer acceptable
The TWU are excellent at getting media coverage
Wether it takes the TWU or AFAP to get the job done, it doesn't matter. But until pilots organise someone and/or themselves to shake the s**t out of management trees, in my view, nothings going to change much.
10 - 4 out.
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why bother with this thread
all the Pilots currently working there are new to the airline,2nd job,first airline job etc. so they are not going to bother or should I say risk their career/job for better salaries.As for the few expirienced capts remaining, they obviously been there for quite some time and are growing grey hairs out of their ears so they can't be bothered anymore.They have gotten used to the moral/salary/TnCs and yet remain there for some reason so they know management isn't going to do anything unless half the Pilot group unite and stop working.The cadetship is there too so the FOs got no authority to complain when they can be replaced in a heartbeat.POINTLESS
I dont expect a reply to this nor do I want one.Im just saying what I feel it is.
all the Pilots currently working there are new to the airline,2nd job,first airline job etc. so they are not going to bother or should I say risk their career/job for better salaries.As for the few expirienced capts remaining, they obviously been there for quite some time and are growing grey hairs out of their ears so they can't be bothered anymore.They have gotten used to the moral/salary/TnCs and yet remain there for some reason so they know management isn't going to do anything unless half the Pilot group unite and stop working.The cadetship is there too so the FOs got no authority to complain when they can be replaced in a heartbeat.POINTLESS
I dont expect a reply to this nor do I want one.Im just saying what I feel it is.
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To the moderators - this is a very timely topic... how about moving it back to the appropriate airline forum - D & G Reporting Points... unless REX is now officially a GA company?
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unless REX is now officially a GA company?
Just kidding... but GA Drivers DO have better uniforms than REX folk.
Unfortunately, with the extremely high turnover of pilots at REX, there are not that many that have the hours / experience to move on, therefore will NOT want to "rock the boat" as it were in taking industrial action.
Maybe the best way to get this EBA sorted is for the AFAP to actually put pressure to bear on the PILOTS to either join the AFAP... and vote, or if they do NOT join, then they do NOT get a vote ?
POSSIBLY... even look at TWO awards ? maybe an F/O EBA and a CAPT EBA ? that would certainly ensure that at least one group gets the message across to the board ?
If fuel prices keep going UP, then recruitment will stop for a period of time, and you guys and gals WILL be stuck at REX, on whatever terms and conditions that YOU capitulate to.... THINK about YOUR future!!!! what if you younger people ARE going to be stuck there for some years yet? Surely you owe it to yourselves to get the best you can for the time and money that you have outlaid for YOUR future life!!!
On a side note, I feel that the company- any company- using fuel prices as an excuse NOT to raise pay is a pathetic attempt to bluff pilots! YES, ok, they have to pay more in fuel... but they DO recoup that through fuel surcharges, higher ticket prices etc...as well as govt rebates and tax write-offs. For the worker, the ONLY way to recoup this cost is through higher wages!!!! Whilst the company may say that they are paying more than ever now for fuel... SO ARE WE!!!! MY fuel bill has soared by about another $50 per week since 2007. which equates to $2600 per year, JUST IN FUEL!!!! IF(!) I were on $100,000 per year, then I would need 2.6% raise JUST to keep up with the fuel costs. then add that EVERYTHING else has risen, and ANY pay rise below 7% means that I am losing money... and that is ONLY to account for CPI.
do NOT accept fuel prices as an excuse to be ripped off...again! Fuel is the cost of doing business!!!!
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Originally Posted by chief wiggum
Maybe the best way to get this EBA sorted is for the AFAP to actually put pressure to bear on the PILOTS to either join the AFAP...
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Does the term WOFTAM ring a bell, group hug and then all bend over together now.
It is people like you, who just do not give a f*ck, and their lazy ass attitude which is infectious to others which is lowering the profession. Either stand up for yours and others' rights, or shut the hell up.
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Rawrawhammer, let's hope that you're not the typical attitude amongst pilots. Why bother? BECAUSE PILOTS HAVE TO SPEND A S**TLOAD OF MONEY JUST TO GET A LICENCE THEN GET PAID AN ABSOLUTE JOKE OF A SALARY, PARTICULARLY IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS. DESPITE THE COMMON MANAGEMENT ATTITUDE, PILOTS DESERVE FAR BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE. That's why bother!
I don't know where you work in WA, but it must be a backward type of town. You probably couldn't be bother fighting, but I bet you're in line to get the wage rise when it comes! Like Grandpa Simpson said: "I didn't earn it, I don't need it, but my god, I'll raise hell if I don't get it!"
Of course you're going to get replies posting that type of crap!
We need people like Apache - nice work!
I don't know where you work in WA, but it must be a backward type of town. You probably couldn't be bother fighting, but I bet you're in line to get the wage rise when it comes! Like Grandpa Simpson said: "I didn't earn it, I don't need it, but my god, I'll raise hell if I don't get it!"
Of course you're going to get replies posting that type of crap!
We need people like Apache - nice work!
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As for the few expirienced capts remaining, they obviously been there for quite some time and are growing grey hairs out of their ears so they can't be bothered anymore
I wouldn't feel to large wearing a nifty uniform knowing I earn around 30-40k or having someone ask how much I earn having payed almost more then that to get the job, not to mention the CPL training costs.
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Just read REX's latest media release on Australian Securities Exchange - Stock Market Information, Stock Quotes - ASX where they say that even though they have raised the fuel levy again to $44 per sector, that airfares are still 15% cheaper than they were 6 years ago.....
so it sort of begs the question of "why NOT raise the airfares slightly to counter the pilot attrition"?
in essence, employees are subsidising the fare paying passenger, and to an even greater extent, REX's bottom line, by accepting substandard t&c's
so it sort of begs the question of "why NOT raise the airfares slightly to counter the pilot attrition"?
in essence, employees are subsidising the fare paying passenger, and to an even greater extent, REX's bottom line, by accepting substandard t&c's
Latest Memo From the REXPC
It seems that the company has still not responded to the REXPC EBA proposal. The unofficial word is now that it will be sometime in July. Great to see that REX management are treating the process as a matter of priority. NOT!! The latest REXPC memo has advised the pilot group that once the company responds to the proposal, the REXPC will brief pilots on the content. To pre-empt the response may cause undue expectations. I couldn't agree more.
This however, is what the company is really up to. Instead of engageing the pilot group in good faith, the Chief pilot is overseas in a desperate attempt to recruit cheap labour. The company is stalling, hoping that the mass influx of foriegn pilots will negate the need for any meaningfull negotiations. Once they have the required number of South Africans on the books, they will inform the REXPC of what they are prepared to offer. Take it or leave it!
For this ruse to succeed however, the company will need to recruit enough foreign pilots. Their strike rate so far has been zip, so it will be interesting to see how this all pans out. I think it's safe to say however that REX management probably won't be changeing their spots just yet.
Be prepared for more Bullsh!t!
This however, is what the company is really up to. Instead of engageing the pilot group in good faith, the Chief pilot is overseas in a desperate attempt to recruit cheap labour. The company is stalling, hoping that the mass influx of foriegn pilots will negate the need for any meaningfull negotiations. Once they have the required number of South Africans on the books, they will inform the REXPC of what they are prepared to offer. Take it or leave it!
For this ruse to succeed however, the company will need to recruit enough foreign pilots. Their strike rate so far has been zip, so it will be interesting to see how this all pans out. I think it's safe to say however that REX management probably won't be changeing their spots just yet.
Be prepared for more Bullsh!t!
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Quote... KRUSTY
"the Chief pilot is overseas in a desperate attempt to recruit cheap labour".
Bull****
There is your 'RED Herring' my friend.
Chris is on AL.
Another L** perpetrated by NIffty....
You have been taken for a ride my friend.
Just out of interest, how much extra money are/will be asking for?
"the Chief pilot is overseas in a desperate attempt to recruit cheap labour".
Bull****
There is your 'RED Herring' my friend.
Chris is on AL.
Another L** perpetrated by NIffty....
You have been taken for a ride my friend.
Just out of interest, how much extra money are/will be asking for?
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"Ouch! Hit a raw nerve did we."
What?
The story about CH being o/s recruiting 'cheap labour', might that be rubbish?
If it is rubbish what would be its reason?
EBA fears for the troops?
I have been reading the saga at MNG or rather the lack of success so what hope with getting crew from O/S?
To ABX the term ...my friend... is my attempt at courtesy.
If you want I will edit and remove the reference.
What?
The story about CH being o/s recruiting 'cheap labour', might that be rubbish?
If it is rubbish what would be its reason?
EBA fears for the troops?
I have been reading the saga at MNG or rather the lack of success so what hope with getting crew from O/S?
To ABX the term ...my friend... is my attempt at courtesy.
If you want I will edit and remove the reference.
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raynman- i sure hope you are good with numbers ços your spelling and grammar are certainly not that of a genius.....
call me simple, but i have no idea what you are trying to say with your previous post.
call me simple, but i have no idea what you are trying to say with your previous post.
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Apache dude, homey, chana, my grammar probably does suck, I profusely appologise! Sorry Mr. A
You must have been a primary school teacher…
CH is a bit to the east of Oz
You must have been a primary school teacher…
CH is a bit to the east of Oz