ERSA - up to scratch?
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ERSA - up to scratch?
I have the lovely job of teaching non-aviation people about ERSA each week and each week I have to try and explain how we deal with all the mistakes in it. It gets pretty frustrating!
Its a requirement that aerodrome operators keep AsA up to date with their information (and yes I know that a lot don't do that well) but to find mistakes in ERSA that can only be the fault of the AIS is below par, don't you think?
Today’s example has been that the aerodromes around Leinster (all in the one big CTAF(R)) do not have the CTAF listed in their ERSA entries.
Now I'm working on getting aerodrome operators to do their bit better but why bother when our efforts are hampered by a publisher that doesn't seem to care?
Should ERSA be put under CASA control? They could be held a bit more accountable than a government business enterprise with one shareholder.
Its a requirement that aerodrome operators keep AsA up to date with their information (and yes I know that a lot don't do that well) but to find mistakes in ERSA that can only be the fault of the AIS is below par, don't you think?
Today’s example has been that the aerodromes around Leinster (all in the one big CTAF(R)) do not have the CTAF listed in their ERSA entries.
Now I'm working on getting aerodrome operators to do their bit better but why bother when our efforts are hampered by a publisher that doesn't seem to care?
Should ERSA be put under CASA control? They could be held a bit more accountable than a government business enterprise with one shareholder.
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The layout diagrams seem to be a bit shoddy from version to version too. In the latest one, Goulburn is barely intelligible...
Still, not as funny as a couple of years back when I tried to ring the number provided for Oakey at 7 in the morning, only to get some woman who was growing increasingly unhappy at receiving such calls at all hours!
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Still, not as funny as a couple of years back when I tried to ring the number provided for Oakey at 7 in the morning, only to get some woman who was growing increasingly unhappy at receiving such calls at all hours!
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Yes a lot of operators do but for the CTAFs to just disappear! This is not good enough from a group of people who are soppused to be part of the industry.
Put in your amendments and they get changed? Poor Sunrise Dam has had "Full NOTAM Service not available" on their entry for all of this year despite two amendment cycles. Whats worse was when the new ERSA came out, someone in the NOF removed the NOTAM correcting this mistake without checking the ERSA!
Should it be pulled from AsA and put into CASA?
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Yes a lot of operators do but for the CTAFs to just disappear! This is not good enough from a group of people who are soppused to be part of the industry.
Put in your amendments and they get changed? Poor Sunrise Dam has had "Full NOTAM Service not available" on their entry for all of this year despite two amendment cycles. Whats worse was when the new ERSA came out, someone in the NOF removed the NOTAM correcting this mistake without checking the ERSA!
Should it be pulled from AsA and put into CASA?
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TT Your Dead Right.......
The runway layout/Diagram for Golburn in this edition is beyond a joke
. There are always mistakes in each edition but they really should get their act together one day soon and fix it all up. But we can only dream……. aviation is full of these little niggling problems. 
The runway layout/Diagram for Golburn in this edition is beyond a joke
. There are always mistakes in each edition but they really should get their act together one day soon and fix it all up. But we can only dream……. aviation is full of these little niggling problems.
Get some Jepps
Problem solved
I've been caught out a couple times though when it said Mobil at a certain aerodrome, turn up and its been changed to BP! Bit interesting trying to work out a way around it!
Problem solved
I've been caught out a couple times though when it said Mobil at a certain aerodrome, turn up and its been changed to BP! Bit interesting trying to work out a way around it!
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Any system of regulations that is so complex that it needs an exam to test peoples' ability to navigate it needs a root and branch review. The Australian system is just that!
Should it be pulled from AsA and put into CASA?
AD info including layout diagrams: responsibility AD OPR
Fuel info: responsibility AD OPR or fuel agent
CTAF info: responsibility CASA
RDS info: responsibility CASA
AD certification info (which dictates whether a NOTAM service applies): responsibility CASA
Local Traffic Regulations & Other info: depending on what it relates to, the responsibility can be CASA, AD OPR or ASA if a controlled AD
Don't be put off by anyone saying ASA are responsible because it is their publication. Is an accommodation guide publisher responsible for the accuracy of all the info published for a particular motel, or is it the motel's responsibility to ensure it is correct? ASA do their best with the info provided and are happy to receive corrections & updates from pilots, but they normally have to verify the data with the relevant party anyway.
If you have any suggestions re the document layout or what should and shouldn't be in there, direct them to your industry association (RAAA, AOPA etc. etc) representative on your regional RAPAC.
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In reference to the last edition ERSA, it would have been nice if that point form reference at the front of the ERSA that explains "everything" about aerodrome info listed for each aerodrome actually had the point forms match up, rather than me having to try and work out what was in reference to what! That is simply bad editing
Note - the current edition is in the nav bag at the office and i have not had a chance to check if its been corrected.
Note - the current edition is in the nav bag at the office and i have not had a chance to check if its been corrected.
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The AOPA AD directory was once a good product, i don't know it's current status these days 'cause I bailed out of AOPA when they put their fees up thru the roof & got to rich for me many years ago.
ERSA is ok I just never rely on it as the only source of info.
'sunfish' you crack me up !
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ERSA is ok I just never rely on it as the only source of info.
'sunfish' you crack me up !
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Get some Jepps
Problem solved
Problem solved
Their products are only a reproduction of the documents they receive, errors included.....
Yeah, but they're regularly updated. Not sure if this extends to ersa info but meh.
Also, I'd much rather use a Jepp Plate to find my way around Kingsford than the tiny pic in the ERSA. I just find the Jepps to be easier to read and better laid out.
Also, I'd much rather use a Jepp Plate to find my way around Kingsford than the tiny pic in the ERSA. I just find the Jepps to be easier to read and better laid out.
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Yeah, but they're regularly updated. Not sure if this extends to ersa info but meh.
They do update the ERSA if you send in some info to them.
I mate of mine showed me an ammendment that was made to an airport landing fee.. I can't remember the aiport name, but it states in the ERSA that the landing fee is one slab.
I mate of mine showed me an ammendment that was made to an airport landing fee.. I can't remember the aiport name, but it states in the ERSA that the landing fee is one slab.
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I can't remember the aiport name, but it states in the ERSA that the landing fee is one slab.
ERSA is a bloated mess. I believe it started as a RAAF publication called FLIP which ASA signed on to, and later took over. Was leafing through the US equivalent last week. It was a fifth of the size, with much less detail on each ad, but only covered 4 states! It was printed on much more absorbent paper worth hanging in the outhouse following amendment time. Cost buggar all too.
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Spot on SPODMAN.
ANSA pinched ERSA from RAAF when the then ANSA management saw a buck in it and RAAF wanted to cut the civvy dromes down to the ones that they regularly used only. RAAF regret getting rid of it too.
The error ratehas increased since the centrelink female took over the AIS and has been replaced by someone who is ever more focused on bucks.
They use DESKTOP PUBLISHERS with no idea about the meaning of any of the words, numbers and abbreviations in ERSA. Because desktop publishers are cheaper to employ than anyone with AVIATION KNOWLEDGE.
It and AIP have been a bloody shambles since the world's 2nd best fighter pilot left the planet.
AIS is a shambles having lost more than half a dozen experienced operators in the last two years. They have all been replaced by BLUNTS as RM would have put it.
ANSA pinched ERSA from RAAF when the then ANSA management saw a buck in it and RAAF wanted to cut the civvy dromes down to the ones that they regularly used only. RAAF regret getting rid of it too.
The error ratehas increased since the centrelink female took over the AIS and has been replaced by someone who is ever more focused on bucks.
They use DESKTOP PUBLISHERS with no idea about the meaning of any of the words, numbers and abbreviations in ERSA. Because desktop publishers are cheaper to employ than anyone with AVIATION KNOWLEDGE.
It and AIP have been a bloody shambles since the world's 2nd best fighter pilot left the planet.
AIS is a shambles having lost more than half a dozen experienced operators in the last two years. They have all been replaced by BLUNTS as RM would have put it.