Minimum Vector Altitude charts

[Pera]

Atc are only ever going to assign safe altitudes unless they make a mistake. Routinely adding the words 'radar lowest safe' is not going to make it safe if the level assigned is below lowest safe.

[topdrop]

I've used correct RT

Incorrect, your extra 3 words are nowhere to be found in AIP phraseology.

the MVA is 1600' with a 10Nm MSA of 3700'. If I vector someone into that step, I'll add in the extra three words, as its a big difference from MSA to MVA

Where I once worked there was a sector MSA of 6500 and RLSALT of about 2300, yet I can't recall once being queried whether or not it was radar lowest safe.

Remembering that pilots do not have access to the RTCC info

or other info we have - do you add "radar separation" when descending an aircraft through the level of an adjacent aircraft.

Pilots are aware that when identified, we can assign levels below lsalt, MSA etc. Your use of "ABC descend to 1600', radar lowest safe" unnecessarily creates confusion for some pilots when that pilot is next given similar descent by a controller using correct phraseology.

[Jack Ranga]

Pilots are aware that when identified, we can assign levels below lsalt, MSA etc.

I'll bet you $100 to your favourite charity that the majority of them don't.

[Gundog01]

Not sure if this is s Military vs Civvie pissing contest but having regularly operated in various Mil control zones virtually all APP/DEP controllers add Radar Lowest Safe" when vectoring you to MVA.

I am all for standard RT but I personally don't mind knowing that I'm operating at MVA.

Either way I still trust you ATC (JBAC for the Mil guys) types....

GD01

[topdrop]

AIP GEN 3.3-16 para 4.6 specifies when descent can be made below lsalt when in IMC and I would have thought that this would be part of instrument training.
Based on the fact that I have only had about 2 queries a year on an assigned level that was below MSA, I will assume that the rest are aware of the para.
Surely, a pilot who is in IMC and is assigned a level below MSA or lsalt and is not aware that ATC can assign those levels would query the level - at least I hope they would.
The queries I have had on radar lsalt levels have all been from the one operator who has come from Darwin. I wouldn't dare comment on Mil ATC.